Does the Sustainable Aviculture Network (SAN) still exist?

[Myzomela]

It just highlights the shortcomings of these sorts of surveys.

It's fine to contact all avicultural clubs in Australia and advertise in the commercial magazines, but how do you contact individuals who are not involved with any of these??

And as Mick has said, sometimes people are too busy to fill out the forms or are reluctant to do so for perceived security and/or privacy issues or just can't be bothered.

Obviously it would be great if everybody supported these surveys but we have to realise that participation rates will never be what we want them to be and so the results can be seen as trends rather than hard facts.

They are still very worthwhile in my opinion and will hopefully spur people on to concentrate on one or two of the "disappearing" species.

[roma9009]

The problem is that people that have the rarer than rare bird don't want there business printed on a survey.

[Myzomela]

The problem is that people that have the rarer than rare bird don't want there business printed on a survey.

...even if it's anonymous?!?!

[curlew]

i think the bird numbers on the list would be close to the mark there is merit in saying that these birds are still hear and in low numbers when perhaps they are not hear at all.
i fill its naive to think that some where out there there is some one that douse not have anything to do with any clubs or is not involved in any breeding groups that has good sustainable numbers of these rear birds. even if you doubled or tripled these numbers they are still genetically unsustainable considering how well we as aviculturs have worked together. i have some ideas on how this sight can make a difference and help but there seems to be no accountability on this sight i could say i have 34 red headed finches and there is no way to verify this. i would be interested in working with a small group to see if there is a way to over come this and other problems that faces these sorts of things. i think there is a lot of people on hear with good intentions but not the means to carry out meaning full breeding programs.

[Myzomela]

I agree with your sentiment Curlew.

but there seems to be no accountability on this sight i could say i have 34 red headed finches and there is no way to verify this.

I think you are confusing this site with another finch forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course you are correct that there is no accountability on any internet site but I haven't seen any baseless claims of species numbers on this site to date.
Most people here seem to be sincere and genuine, so hopefully you can get a good core of people from here to work together and take the next step.

Good luck, and I'm happy to help in any way I can.

[gomer]

I am a member of a few finch organisations, I filled in the form The person who recieved it has never been here to variefy it.I also dont have any rare birds,but have a above average setup.There are a very large amount of genuine and compentant breeders here.And I have never been let down by any yet, even though most I have never meet.

I also am interested in helping as much as i can although I have not meet you.

[lestra]

i have been and have trued to msg you back but cant work out how to send msgs from this sight to other members. i understand what you are saying about only needing 80 birds but if you look at the nfsa's servay there ant that many around as far as rear birds go if you look at the number of common ones we have a much grater chance of saving what we have if we work at saving them. for example



Common Species
Species Total number recorded
Red-faced parrotfinch 1472
Cordon bleu Waxbill 1009
Orangebreasted waxbill 1038
African Fire 1104
Cuban 704
Green singer 577
Tri-coloured parrotfinch 482
Jacarini 429
Red Strawberry 440
St. Helena waxbill 780
Red hooded Siskin 388
Cut-throat 336
Bengalese 554
Grenadier Weaver 398



Rare Species
Species
European Serin 11
Eurasian linnet 10
Red-crested cardinal 9
Peters’ Twinspot 5
Green Strawberry 9
Black-rumped waxbill 17
Purple grenadier waxbill 29
Yellow-rumped Serin 3
Yellowhammer 4
Grey Singer 8
European Siskin 2
Shama Thrush 2
Silver-eared mesia 2
Red-headed fody 4
Common Redpoll 1
Red-shouldered whydah 2

Ok so following your advice and focusing on the lower numbered commons, If I was to set up a aviary just for the purpose of breeding tri-coloured Parrot finches or Green Singers would I be helping?
Also are sea green parrot finches in need of help?

[Tiaris]

Sea-green PFs are just a colour mutation of the Red-faced PF. Normals would be a far more worthwhile option if species conservation is your goal.

[Craig52]

The problem is that people that have the rarer than rare bird don't want there business printed on a survey.

...even if it's anonymous?!?!

Myzomela, i'm one of those with the rearer types of natives,when i first joined this forum i introduced myself and stated that i bred the rearer types of Aussie finches and was hounded by members to state what i had(to be perfectly honest i sh%t myself) As i have had my previous collection stolen.
In the end i gave in and stated what i had but it has been a god sent as i now know and have spoken to around 5 breeders in different states that are breeding the same species and are willing to exchange birds down the track for new blood.
So with this forum,behind the screens there is sustainable aviculture going on,me being one and how many more i don't know but the private message system is a great tool.
I for one wouldnt need to join any SAN as i have found my contacts myself through this forum. Cheers Craig

[lestra]

Thanks for that. I received a txt offering me one and I hadn't heard of them until then.
Yes conservation is my motivation so normals. But looking at the numbers the tri-coloured and green singers are in lower numbers.
Iso thinking if I pick one if them I will be doing my part?