Just When Did Importation of Exotics Cease?

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Nrg800 wrote:Importation is going through abit of a rough point right now (with mammals at least) The problem is that all the major organizations (zoos and such) are in the process of waiting for their animals to die. This may seem heartless, but most of them are packed to capacity right now, and can't fit anymore. Many of the animals are old and their being phased out (Puma's, for example are, great animals, but the ones at melboune are too old, the ones at Canberra are brother and Sister, and the ones at Dreamworld are castrated. So there goes the Puma). After the zoos have made enough room they're going to start importing again (Melboune zoo has already put in form for importing species such as Coatis, Capybaras, Giant Anteaters and the like. Once these start getting imported much of this should clear up, and importation should become easier. So in maybe 15 years I imagine that importing birds into Australia won't be as hard as it is now.

Another reason that none are being imported is that it takes alot of effort to import a species (or, more, do the paperwork for importation) and that's just to much for private aviticulturists. I'm trying to find the form for the Coatis that Melbourne is trying to import, and you'll see what I mean
whats unfortunate is that the "new" species zoos are importing (such as coatis, anteaters, capybaras) are species that have all died out in australian zoos relatively recently. when it comes to saving a species, most zoos around the world are far from proactive. species in zoos suffer from the same sorts of problems that effect bird species in aviculture, species come in and out of flavour, different directors come and go and with that so do their tastes. they are preoccupied with collection sizes and allow their stock to become old and geriatric before suddenly making a last ditch effort to turn things around. the situation at melbourne will not change once they "free up some space" because sadly the zoo is not making any new space. the trend at the moment is for larger more elaborate style immersive exhibits - bit these exhibits are not generally much larger for the animals or offer the facilities to house more. they expense is all in the facilities for visitors. for example melbourne zoos new multi-million dollar orang-utan exhibit can hold three separate groups or individual orang-utans. thats pretty much on par with what was available to them them in the old ape grottoes. so whilst the new exhibit is a vast improvement for apes, humans and certain aspects of management of those animals, the zoos capacity for holding orangs hasn't much improved. and the breeding program is not much better off than it was before, from a population point of view. its worth noting also that to build one of these new mega-exhibits, zoos usually are required to demolish a number of smaller animal exhibits for a larger number of species and individuals. thus i think the trend is heading for a continued decline in the number of species in zoos and don't expect to see a spike in species numbers in the future.

the pumas may be replaced with anteaters, but likely a single pair, who will have two offspring, that end up at another zoo. and then the whole program once again runs out of space and we find ourself waiting for animals to die again.

much like aviculture, whats needed in zoos is someone who takes responsibility for an individual species. its fine if melbourne keeps the same 3 big cat species as taronga and adelaide, but would be a benefit to all if each zoo agreed to focus on holding a large number of a different particular species.

unfortunately, australian zoos are far from getting their stuff together in this regard.
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Folks. Just came across your debate and thought a few things might help clarify the thread:

I believe 1945 was the last "legal finch import" if that is what u call sailors bringing boxes of finches to Oz to swap and sell at the docks!!!!........none have been legally imported since.
Russell K's syndicte was bringing birds from Europe not NZ - NZ has very few exotics and one of the restrictions stated that any imported finches had to be close rung so as to confirm parentage. AS NZ has only the introduced Fringillid species which very few bother with (plus most of these are banned in several Oz states!!!) as Paul *censored* told me Chaffies were NZ$10/pair,there were no stocks of exotics to "plunder' there...............I believe Painteds are even down to a few birds there currently.
Actually most exotic finches went OUT TO NZ from Oz during the Vertebrate Pest Act around 1982!!!!!!!!!! - Red crested cardinals, and all 3 species of the Euplectes whydahs (2 species of which no longer are here)
Yes, all the NZ finches were euthenased but there are several "conspiracy theories" about .........I also asked Paul during my short stint with his magazine to do an article about said importation but he said that nerves were still raw over the entire episode............in fact one of NZ best finch breeders actually gave the game away after the failed import.......

The 'debate' about smuggling and the rest is a mostly a matter of hearsay...........but Dybowski's twinspots should tell u more about that aspect.....................
The huge increase in parrot species has been contrasted with a marked decrease in finch species numbers and the list is even longer than in this thread...............the DEH (or whatever its currently called!!) has a downloadable document of the 2003 list of exotic species currently in Oz.............that lists most of the finches that have been here.............

Legislation has always signalled the end for some finch species or another and NEBRS was particularly savage in that regards which is why many of us fought so hard against the EBRKS so that there are currently no finches that require mandatory paperwork........... lack of imports AND legislation are a death sentance for finches.

For interest it is postulated that ALL the blackbirds in Tasmania came from 2 pair released into a Battery Point garden.............so as long as your originals are from a varied genepool you would seem to be pretty safe.........only when humans start inbreeding to make $$ from mutations with limited genepools (obviously inbreeding is essential for establishing mutation 'lines')that trouble can arise..............more power to mutation breeders but NOT at the expense of pure bloodlines.

Hope some of that helps and yes, I have the failed NZ importation DVD myself and it is enough to make u weep.............
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By the way, the 3 whydah species would be which ones? Red Shouldered, Pin Tailed and white-Winged? if so we still have 2 of them here
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Please let this post DIE.
It does the Finch people no good and just stirs up the ****** govt. instant experts
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Euplectes whydahs - non-parasitic ones - white, red and yellow shouldered (plus a heap more not here). As far as I know only the Reds are hanging on.

The Pinny is a parasitic whydah like the Paradise and that lot.

Never forget more likely!!
Twas merely an attempt to clarify some misapprehensions therein nought more ..............no intent/interest to stir anyone up. Not sure where that came from in truth.
No offence intended.
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It has been a very heated debate( which will happen when people are passionate about their beliefs) , your post is very informative and I enjoyed reading it . No offense was taken by me but I can see why Eorix would like it over with ...thanks for the input.
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