Use of All Wire Cages at Bird Sales

[sdegiorgio]

I can understand buyers wanting a bird, cage to go with it, then walking out of the sale with birds in their all wire cage. They prob don't feel comfortable handling their bird, and its convenient for them to purchase this way.

I totally disagree with you fishtales,they can buy a carry box for the bird and an all wire cage from a tradie and the tradie should be telling the buyer that it is not allowed to have a bird in this cage until you get home.
If they carry an all wire cage around to buy a bird,the seller should be telling them that they need to buy a carry box as the cheapest is $10 dollars more or less,also this is why we have sales stewards to police the situation.
These days,with brilliant camera's in mobiles it only takes one person to report situations like this and our bird sales could be lost for ever. Craig

Thanks fishtales.

I understand what you are saying, but I don't know that it is such a great idea for someone to be buying a bird from a bird sale, putting that bird in it's new home at the sale, and then taking it home. That bird is already very stressed and it's now been put into a strange cage where it will most likely spend the rest of its life. I would have thought it would be better to educate the buyer on the proper way to transport the bird, take the new cage home, set it up and then put the bird in it. I think the bird would feel a lot more secure this way.

I have to agree with Craig52. It is the seller's responsibility to educate the buyer. And it is not that expensive for the buyer to purchase a carry box. If they are not willing to spend a small amount of money on a carry box, perhaps they need to reconsider whether they should in fact buy the bird. Sorry, I know that that may sound harsh, but that is how I feel about the matter.

I understand from another thread, that there was a sale in Victoria where people were not allowed to take photos because of some political party protesting against the sale (I think that's how it was, but I stand corrected if not). Perhaps this is one of the reasons why they were protesting - the way we treat our birds.

[sdegiorgio]

Placing a" birdy" in those all-wire cages is risking your bird. Stress, wings caught between bars, bashed heads, dislocated elbows and toe damage - in fact, it is cruel imo; a risk to your investment.
People are usually great when you explain this. New people don't know and are pretty happy to learn how to look after their (or the kids') new pet. This is where the main problem arises -those new to birds with a new pet. I found most new bird owners are grateful.

What irks me more is people, sellers who will willingly take the money and then place the bird in one of those cages. THAT is premeditated cruely imo. So a bird might be quiet in such a trap but it only takes one sound or movement to have a bird injured or killed.
The other gripe I have is the morons who keep their reservoir of stock in such cages, sometimes also over-crowded, out of sight in their car in the carpark.

We don't need either of those types in the hobby.

Thanks Uraeginthus. I agree with you on all counts.

Most new pet bird owners just simply don't know and are very grateful to the seller if they are advised on the best practice for transporting and caring for their bird. It doesn't take much to educate these people.

It makes me so angry when you see that some sellers are clearly only there for the money, and they will do anything to sell their birds. Sure, the sellers do go to the sales to sell their birds, and perhaps get some money back, but surely they are not earning a living from it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there is any money in birds. I know that I am not in this for the money. If anything I spend all my money on my birds - that's why I have to keep going to work.

[firetail555]

I can understand buyers wanting a bird, cage to go with it, then walking out of the sale with birds in their all wire cage. They prob don't feel comfortable handling their bird, and its convenient for them to purchase this way.

I totally disagree with you fishtales,they can buy a carry box for the bird and an all wire cage from a tradie and the tradie should be telling the buyer that it is not allowed to have a bird in this cage until you get home.
If they carry an all wire cage around to buy a bird,the seller should be telling them that they need to buy a carry box as the cheapest is $10 dollars more or less,also this is why we have sales stewards to police the situation.
These days,with brilliant camera's in mobiles it only takes one person to report situations like this and our bird sales could be lost for ever. Craig

Thanks fishtales.

I understand what you are saying, but I don't know that it is such a great idea for someone to be buying a bird from a bird sale, putting that bird in it's new home at the sale, and then taking it home. That bird is already very stressed and it's now been put into a strange cage where it will most likely spend the rest of its life. I would have thought it would be better to educate the buyer on the proper way to transport the bird, take the new cage home, set it up and then put the bird in it. I think the bird would feel a lot more secure this way.

I have to agree with Craig52. It is the seller's responsibility to educate the buyer. And it is not that expensive for the buyer to purchase a carry box. If they are not willing to spend a small amount of money on a carry box, perhaps they need to reconsider whether they should in fact buy the bird. Sorry, I know that that may sound harsh, but that is how I feel about the matter.

I understand from another thread, that there was a sale in Victoria where people were not allowed to take photos because of some political party protesting against the sale (I think that's how it was, but I stand corrected if not). Perhaps this is one of the reasons why they were protesting - the way we treat our birds.

All sales in Victoria forbid photographs "without the owners permission" which is a VAC directive. Has nothing to do with politics, just people shoving camera's in front of birds and flashing their eyes out, before asking permission to do so from the owner.

david

[sdegiorgio]

All sales in Victoria forbid photographs "without the owners permission" which is a VAC directive. Has nothing to do with politics, just people shoving camera's in front of birds and flashing their eyes out, before asking permission to do so from the owner.

david

Hi David,

I understand about the VAC directive, but what I was referring to a discussion in another thread - viewtopic.php?f=48&t=16577&p=149363&hil ... ed#p149363 . Have I misunderstood the discussion? I thought the 'no photos allowed' at this particular Bird Sale was because the Greens were trying to stop the sale.

Suzanne