Sharing of Information

[arthur]

Wise old jungle saying . .

"You don't open your mouth; you don't catch flies"

[SamDavis]

I find that strange if he is the guy from the Hunter that has them he is one of the nicest guys you could meet

Agree 100%
I just rang him and he has no issue at all with dedicated breeders making contact and he has no idea what any of this is about.
Maybe there's someone else selling Aberdeens that we don't know about?

[sdegiorgio]

Thank you to everyone for posting your replies. Some very interesting responses, but I think many have misunderstood my comments, and I accept full responsibility for that because I should have been clearer.

Please let me clarify a couple of points:

1. I am in no way questioning anyone’s right to privacy. Everyone is entitled to privacy and that needs to be respected regardless of the circumstances.
2. I am in no way questioning anyone’s experience and I am not saying that I or anyone else is better than anyone else.

Please understand that I am not necessarily referring to anyone on this forum. All my comments are made in general.

My anger, from the response to my email, came about, not because the person in question wanted to maintain their confidentiality, but the actual response. It was not in so many words, but more or less ‘Go away, we don’t want to know you’. I am not saying that the response was written in a rude way, but this how I perceived the message. When I emailed the person, I did not ask for names, phone numbers or addresses. I simply asked for assistance. I explained who I was and what I wanted to do. I knew that the contact had had these birds previously. There was no indication, in the response, to say that the contact had checked with the person who has the birds about whether or not they were interested in talking to me, and there was no offer to pass on my details. There was no attempt to try to find out who I was and my background.

I find the attitudes of some people so off putting, that I am seriously starting to think about giving up birds altogether. I am angry and incredibly frustrated by what has happened. No doubt that you could all see this in my post last night.

I get what everyone is saying about trust, and I agree. But how can trust be built if the people concerned will not even talk to you? And how do people get to know you if they are not even willing to give me the time of day?

I also get what some are saying about not giving these birds to people with no experience, and again I agree. But we all know what the price tag is for these birds at the moment. I think that a lot of experience breeders are not willing to pay this type of money for these birds. And, if the ‘inexperienced’ breeders are not allowed to have them, where are we left - with a select few people who may or may not share their experiences and their birds. I am saying we should be working as a team to get these birds, and other birds, back in people’s aviaries, and giving some of the not-so- experienced breeders an opportunity to be involved, rather than just shutting them out. What is wrong with some of the more experienced breeders mentoring others with some of these rare species?

This topic, about not sharing information, was raised in the panel discussion at the Finches 14 Convention. People are simply not sharing information – not with experienced breeders and definitely not with the in-experienced breeders. I am so disappointed to hear that people have had birds stolen after sharing information. That is so wrong, and I can certainly understand why these people are now very shy about sharing information. But is that the only reason why people are so secretive about what birds they have?

My thinking about the ‘old boys club’ has been the case for quite some time, and unfortunately, due to my recent experience doesn’t look like changing anytime soon. This is not an isolated incident. I sometimes experience it at bird sales, conventions and even from a couple of the clientele when I was on placement with Myzo. I think it’s quite sad really because this is what stops me from joining a bird club. I don’t want to be part of a ‘boys club’ – I want to be part of a ‘bird club’ where everyone is treated equally.

One final point. Something that I noted from the replies posted, is that everyone has been very quick to assume my level of experience, and I am not really sure why that is. Is it because of something that I said or did? Is it because I am reasonably new to the forum? Is it because I’ve upset people by my comments? Is it because I am a woman? Or is it something else? Many of you do not know me so I am interested to know how my experience has been judged. Perhaps the same thing happened with the person I emailed.

I have deliberately not mentioned who the person is that I contacted and where they are from because they clearly do not want to be identified, and I am going to respect that. I also ask that people on this forum do not start to assume who these people are because they are not who you think.

I will leave it at that. I am going to get back in my box now and just be silent.

Suzanne

[Spitfire]

Hi "sdegiorgio' your last post left me breathless. Regarding the perceived way the Forumites have taken to you about your "Lack of experience" and other perceived inabilities..
Do you think the long and laborious Post that you have about building new aviaries and your problems with your neighbour and council migt have something to do with this subject.
Just asking and wondering.

[E Orix]

I am one of the real oldies and before I go further I should point out the so called old school reaction to newer hobbyists today is nothing like it was
30+ years ago. In those days the old F..ts were down right rude and dismissive. They wouldn't mince words and simply tell you to go away son.
Today I am one of those old F..ts but let me assure people I am quite approachable as I know what it is like to be dismissed.
On the other side it staggers me how rude and demanding people can be when wanting rarer species, just because they have the money to buy
the rare birds doesn't mean they can get them. I am always wary about cheque book aviculture and also maybe there is a waiting list for these rarer
types. Sadly there is a large number of people who have opened their collections to be visited that have had major thefts. Me included several times.
So please be aware that the other person my have been given a hard time or driven to distraction.
On the other side civility cost nothing and they should also be careful with regard how they react.
Don't be down, move on as there are always others who will assist, which is another plus for our hobby.
You have a Forum use it to ask those questions.

[garymc]

Suzanne,

In this hobby it not only stock deaths, thefts and the occasional rogue that can leave you disillusioned.

Good for you saying what you feel needs to be said and not just hiding in your box. Sometimes a controversial comment is whats required for the wheels to start turning.

One thing I have learnt about emails and postings is the they occasionally do not come across with the intent that which they were written. Hopefully that was the case with your initial reply from the "seller". If the intent was as it was written, look for another avenue to get the birds you are after and hopefully prove your point by making a positive contibution to the species in question.

I am sure there are people on this forum that could assist you in sourcing the birds you require. Feel free to ask in the wanted section.

[elferoz777]

The birds game is pretty dodge.

You have guys after $$$$$ and nothing else and then you have others that give a damn and apply the effort and hard yards.

I won't be selling my linnie young yo anyone who intends on keeping them as a pet or anyone who can't show me that they know what they are doing. Id rather not sell any and keep an aviary of parent raised breeding birds than make quick cash selling pets.

I agree though, some groups make it hard for newcomers and this can be frustrating. Some do it for the dollars and others for the betterment of the species and they (the betterment breeders) are the birds breeders you want buy from. Trust is what you need to win first.

Reading some of the posts put on here over the last few years you can see some examples of poor bird keeping as a result of inexperience. People want x birds but dont know how to care for them with death as the usual result.

Good luck in finding a breeder.

[sdegiorgio]

Hi "sdegiorgio' your last post left me breathless. Regarding the perceived way the Forumites have taken to you about your "Lack of experience" and other perceived inabilities..
Do you think the long and laborious Post that you have about building new aviaries and your problems with your neighbour and council migt have something to do with this subject.
Just asking and wondering.

Spitfire, I don't understand what you are getting with this. What do new aviaries, neighbours and councils have to do with this topic?

[Spitfire]

Sorry "sdegiorgio" it was I who was asking you a question. I meant that your previous posts could have been misconstrued as inexperience and an inability to get along.
Hey its life.

[sdegiorgio]

Sorry "sdegiorgio" it was I who was asking you a question. I meant that your previous posts could have been misconstrued as inexperience and an inability to get along.
Hey its life.

Ok. I am a little lost for words here. I am guessing that you are referring to my posts in a different thread. Inability to get along with who? And inexperience because I choose to do the right thing? Choosing to do the right thing does not equal inexperience.

Please don't judge me in this way because you don't know me.