orange breast x ruddy

[matcho]

Escapin,

I am really interested in this post, please keep us informed with photos as to how it turns out. As for the white feathers maybe you have a pied whatever x orange breast. Good luck.

Ken.

[Craig52]

No Ken, escaping has already said it is a protein deficiency due the lack of livefood. If you look at the feather it is only partially white not full white as in a pied. Craig

[matcho]

Fair enough, Craig, I stand corrected.

Ken.

[E Orix]

If it is a cross or not time will tell but I would like to comment on some of the comments.
Are white feathers a sign of low protein in their diet, personal opinion not all the time.
Problems can occur if say kept inside all the time and fed one type of seed.
Live food is not the only way for birds to get protein, check out Plain Canary.
People feed live food (protein) to breeding birds because they need a massive increase in protein for a short time
to feed the quick growing chicks at the rate required.
White feathers in Orange Breasts have occurred for years, could be diet, could be the blood line,
could be inbreeding.
Removing live food from their diet for a time should not create a problem. If it did
there would be all sorts of trouble after an austerity period. A chocolate diet to bread and water
over 21 days doesn't seem to stress them out.
What it turns out to be will be of interest, as for being fertile there are several ways it could be,
both fertile, both infertile, male fertile only or female fertile only.
If able keep the photos coming.

[Craig52]

If it is a cross or not time will tell but I would like to comment on some of the comments.
Are white feathers a sign of low protein in their diet, personal opinion not all the time.
Problems can occur if say kept inside all the time and fed one type of seed.
Live food is not the only way for birds to get protein, check out Plain Canary.
People feed live food (protein) to breeding birds because they need a massive increase in protein for a short time
to feed the quick growing chicks at the rate required.
White feathers in Orange Breasts have occurred for years, could be diet, could be the blood line,
could be inbreeding.
Removing live food from their diet for a time should not create a problem. If it did
there would be all sorts of trouble after an austerity period. A chocolate diet to bread and water
over 21 days doesn't seem to stress them out.
What it turns out to be will be of interest, as for being fertile there are several ways it could be,
both fertile, both infertile, male fertile only or female fertile only.
If able keep the photos coming.

From experience E Orix those white feathers,or i should say partial white feathers are from diet or lack of a good diet. Ouote" People feed live food (protein) to breeding birds because they need a massive increase in protein for a short time to feed the quick growing chicks at the rate required".
Escapin did say they just got the basics and no live food due to shifting house so my opinion is based on that and the partially white coloured feathers of which in a pied should be white from the quill to the tip of the feather.
That bird will hold those partial white feathers till the next moult or beyond as it feeds on a better high protein diet than what it was when it hatched imo. Craig

[branchez]

One more post Craig for the magical 3 ton.

[escapin]

I'll put up some more pics when it colours up a bit more. Just to confuse things a bit more, both my female ruddies are pied. But I've also experienced the white wing feathers on my O/breasts when proteins been lacking, and it has always moulted out.

so it's probably a pied protein deficiant cross breed infertile Fringillidae.. aka a finch

[BlackCobra]

The head really looks like a ruddy to me, with orange breast there more likely to cross with a red strawb

[escapin]

It's been a while and my little x-breed is doing well. Here's some more pics.

There's no strawberry finches in the aviary. Only possible crosses would be ruddy-orange breast or crimson-orange breast. The last one probably not so likely

[escapin]

and one more from the back