Look what I got today

[Diane]

Need some advice here folks.

Thinking about the delicate eye situation.

My most shaded aviary is the one that already has a pair of normal BFPF (well paired, 3 clutches under their belt currently sitting on eggs ) along with some gouldian young, it does get sunlight in there later on in the day but I can control that to some extent using the blinds. Would this be a problem, bearing in mind the "should have more than 2 pair of same type bird in one aviary"?
My only other option at the moment would be to leave them in the huge shed down the back in a breeding cabinet about 6 foot long, its light enough in there with the roof skylights and I generally leave both the personal access door and the big lift up door open all day so there is plenty of air movement.
Not much fun for a little bird that likes to whizz around so much though.
Methinks the only cure for this is another aviary. but Im still left with the dilemma of where to put them until I can get one, if I cant get a new aviary before the quarantine is over.
Bit like that shampoo advert...it wont happen overnight, but it will happen.

[arthur]

Di

Firstly thanks for replacement mag

Now to BFPF

Sadly many of the Lutes are VERY sight disadvantaged . . to the point that they will not even attempt to fly at all in a large aviary because they cannot see their destination point.
And also sadly many vendors neglect to advise their customers of this.

Yours are in quarantine in a small cabinet cage I take it, so they are able to get around OK because they can see for the short distances required . . I hope I am wrong but I think that you may be in for a bit of a jolt when you transfer them to a larger aviary

Most Lute BF's are bred in cabinets . . . Check with your supplier, and see if he is prepared to reimburse you if the hen cannot negotiate the large aviary . . And give her a "test-run" in a large aviary before you build a new one specially for them


Regarding Lutino/Albino

In birds which have a GREEN base colour the full "INO" mutation is the lutino . . where the "blues" go missing, resulting in green becoming yellow . . and blue becoming no colour (white)

To get an Albino you must combine the Lutino mutation with the Blue mutation . . . Basically the "Blue" mutation turns the greens to blue and the "Lutino" mutation turns the blues to white . . . So until a Blue mutation turns up in the BFPF we cannot get an Albino BFPF


In birds which have no greens in their base colour (such as the House Sparrow) . . the full "INO" mutation is the Albino




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[Diane]

Thanks Arthur
I know they were aviary bred and managed nicely in there, so Im hoping things will be the same when they get transferred to a larger aviary.
I plan to pair the lutino hen with the split cock. I think I remember being told the possible colours/sexes would be all cocks would be split lutino, hens would either be normal or lutino...did I remember correctly or would the normal hens be split to lutino too?

[arthur]

I hope so too . .

Hens in sex-linked mutations can NEVER be split for that mutation . . They are either mutation or non-mutation

Expectations are . .

Split cocks . . Lutino cocks . . Normal hens . . Lutino hens

This is a good pairing as none of the offspring are "possibles" . . So you know exactly where you are (apart from the sexing)

[Diane]

This is a good pairing as none of the offspring are "possibles"

Least I got something right.
So these would be the results of different pairings? Have I missed any?

Split lutino Cock X lutino Hen = lutino and split lutino males and lutino and normal females

Split lutino Cock X normal Hen = split lutino and normal males and normal females.

Lutino Cock X lutino Hen = lutino males and lutino females

Lutino Cock X normal Hen = split lutino males and normal females

Normal Cock X lutino Hen = split lutino males and normal females

[arthur]

Split cock x Normal hen = split cocks . . normal cocks . . Lutino hens . . normal hens

Lutino cock x normal hen = split cocks . . Lutino hens ( this is actually the most efficient pairing, and the reason why sex-linked cocks are always dearer than sex-linked hens)

[gary]

Hi.

I have a pair of lutino's in my large aviary 9 metres X 6 metres and they navigate around very well and the light doesn't appear to bother them. One thing I have found with most lutino's is they are fairly weak flyers.
My pair have just hatched out their first chicks and one is out of the nest. Mind you it shouldn't be because it is only half feathered and looks terrible. This bird looks like a normal BFPF
so my question is, is it a split or what would it be and what sex should it be. I have read all the previous posts and I didn't know it was so complicated.

My other question is how do they get the pied RFPF's.

[arthur]

If both parents are full lutinos then it is not possible to get offspring that are not lutes . . But you know what you are seeing, and if it is in fact a normal, and there are no other BF's in the aviary I cannot explain it

I have never kept Pied RF's . . but am led to believe that they are autosomal dominant in their transmission with single-factor (one pied gene, which results in a lightly pied bird) and double factor (two pied genes, resulting in a heavily pied bird)

Some people refer to single factor birds as "visual splits" particularly when they may have as little as one pied feather or one white toenail ( note also that all birds with a single white feather or a white toenail are NOT necessarily SF pieds) ******* Sorry . . . Note to self "proof-read

Expectations are . .

SF x Norm = SF + N

SF x SF = DF + SF + N

DF x Norm = All SF

Repeat . . have not kept them . . so may need correcting . .

But the above expectations are those for A/S Dominant

[Jayburd]

all greek to me... for now

[finchbreeder]

Cat amongst the pigeons time. How did the first lutino turn up? By genetic mutation. So is it possible for this to happen in reverse? In theory? Yes! Unlikely but possible. More likely that one of the parents is in fact a very heavy pied and the young is a very light pied. Have a very close look.
LML