What bird are you talking about? Taken from its parents??? He has asked advice about hand rearing his zebs IF they are kicked out in the near future and what he needs or that is what I took from the original post. I too am concerned. Just gave advice on what I thought the original question was. Or am I missing something here?jusdeb wrote:Yes by all means try to save a bird thats sick ...I understand too well that we owe it to our birds to do our best .
The bird referred to here was taken from its parents , only reason was because it had fledged . Until a birdkeeper can tell a sick bird from one that has simply fledged then they should not be attempting hand feeding .
Im not trying to be argumentative , Im only concerned for the welfare of Shannys birds .
is there a possablitiy
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Yeah Matcho you've missed a bit and I am sorry that I appear harsh but Ive ( and a few others ) been trying to help Shanny through some problems he is having .
The subject has spread over quite a few topic posts and if you read them all you'll see how it all ties in .
Its a first things first situation and we are trying to help him even if it means slowing him down a tad for his own good and for the birds .
He is learning but like all 18 year olds he is impatient .
The subject has spread over quite a few topic posts and if you read them all you'll see how it all ties in .
Its a first things first situation and we are trying to help him even if it means slowing him down a tad for his own good and for the birds .
He is learning but like all 18 year olds he is impatient .
Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue.
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Only trying to give advice on the 1st question regarding "is there a possability", thats all. Couldn't follow your input because of the information in this post, sounds like this is becoming a bit of a jigsaw so I will leave it at that.
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thanks guys for the help i maybe impatient at time but i want to be able to be ready when something goes down.He is learning but like all 18 year olds he is impatient
i know i must observe my birds behaviour and to be quite honest over the years that i have keept zebras
many died and i have leant from that like last year 9 died at once 2 on the cage floor and the others all in the one dome nest
i have breed about many clutches around 6-7 clutches thats from the ones that died and wtih the ones that I have now they haven't died yet and i wont want that
to happen so is coopex or vetafarm insect liquidator good products aginst lice or mites?
Going 1 step at a time
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Going in with chemicals might be the end for any birds already in a weakened state . Correct diagnosis before treatment is the way too go .
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I don't want to enter into the methods of hand rearing but if the chic can't be put back in the nest or fostered then the chances of its survival is very slim. Unless you are very patient and skilled your success rate will be zero or close to it.
More importantly ask your self how it got on the floor in the first place
1. Did some other bird invade the nest?
2. Did it fall out of the nest on its own or pushed out by other nestlings? This can happen with big clutches of Gouldians all fighting to get fed.
3. Did the parents throw it out and why?
They could have thrown it out because it was sickly and not worth their effort.
Maybe their diet is not good enough to rear a full clutch so they will feed and keep the first bred etc.
People who ring their young finches in the nest will find on occasion that the parents thinking the ring is rubbish will remove it
from the nest chamber even if there is a chic attached to it.
Maybe the male wants to put the female down again and is responsible for it being ejected.
4. Possibility of rodent interference.
There are lots of reasons, birds unlike humans will dump chics quite readily, in our eyes for no reason. But there is always a reason for their action.
You mentioned Mites,these will cause problems with nestlings health but I have not had a problem with them especially on adult birds.
The only preventative step I take is I submerge my nest boxes in a solution of Coopex prior to the start of the season and after a successful nest.
I can't remember ever having the need to treat Mites on any of my adult birds.
More importantly ask your self how it got on the floor in the first place
1. Did some other bird invade the nest?
2. Did it fall out of the nest on its own or pushed out by other nestlings? This can happen with big clutches of Gouldians all fighting to get fed.
3. Did the parents throw it out and why?
They could have thrown it out because it was sickly and not worth their effort.
Maybe their diet is not good enough to rear a full clutch so they will feed and keep the first bred etc.
People who ring their young finches in the nest will find on occasion that the parents thinking the ring is rubbish will remove it
from the nest chamber even if there is a chic attached to it.
Maybe the male wants to put the female down again and is responsible for it being ejected.
4. Possibility of rodent interference.
There are lots of reasons, birds unlike humans will dump chics quite readily, in our eyes for no reason. But there is always a reason for their action.
You mentioned Mites,these will cause problems with nestlings health but I have not had a problem with them especially on adult birds.
The only preventative step I take is I submerge my nest boxes in a solution of Coopex prior to the start of the season and after a successful nest.
I can't remember ever having the need to treat Mites on any of my adult birds.
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Shanny ..can I suggest getting yourself a scrapbook and start filling it with information about your birds and any useful tips you come across .
I do this and when I need to find out something its all there in one place along with fledging dates and any observations I notice in the aviary .
To start of I would with EOrix permission be printing his last answer and using it a a reference point . He has given very sound advice and it will come in handy Im sure in the future,.
It is a way of keeping track of behaviour , diet likes / dislikes , breeding habits , kinda like a journal ...
I do this and when I need to find out something its all there in one place along with fledging dates and any observations I notice in the aviary .
To start of I would with EOrix permission be printing his last answer and using it a a reference point . He has given very sound advice and it will come in handy Im sure in the future,.
It is a way of keeping track of behaviour , diet likes / dislikes , breeding habits , kinda like a journal ...
Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue.
David Brent
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