Pakistan Bird Dealer - What the????

[E Orix]

The birds are all in international style freighting boxes,all are wild birds from north of Botswana.Going by the races.
While it is not good seeing birds cramped in these conditions it is most likely the best way to freight.Less birds create a bigger chance of injury
being cramped it seems to limit injury as for stress I have no idea!!!
The interesting bird is the one similar to our St Helena,too colourful for a common Waxbill,to big for a Senigal and the white under the tail??
has anyone got any ideas
It sort of makes a mockery of no exports from the east coast of Africa.
As it was mentioned earlier, apart from the enthuisiast most people from that part of the world have little regard to wildlife.
Its a commodity to work for you,feed you or to be traded.
End of story
By the way thanks for posting it.

[jusdeb]

I showed this to my other half and he remarked that they didn't look to be in bad health and that I didn't know how long they were in there so I shouldn't judge

Good point ...he often has them

Its certainly not what we are used to seeing . It does say one thing to me though and that is the finch hobby is alive and well in Pakistan .

[Tiaris]

They are Senegals, Orix. They have white under tail & black above.

[arthur]

Too fast for my old eyes . . but if they have a black beak they may well be Sundevall's AKA Rosy-rumped waxbills

[E Orix]

Tiaris
I do not think they are Senigals, too big and the white rump is not as far as I can remember not on a Senigal
They are pink enough but not sure.

[Tiaris]

The white rump was still on mine this morning.

[Tiaris]

White vent, sorry & black rump.

[E Orix]

Tiaris
I bow to your greater knowledge.
I think I will stick to my Weavers

[GregH]

It does have to be remembered that these are temporary holding facilities of what is appears to be a large wholesale business. Have a look at the bird-sale photos on this site and conditions aren't much better. It's a eyeopener to see that many wild-caught birds on the site that unfortunately end up leading short sterile lives as mere ornaments in the rich houses of Peshawar or Islamabad. Breeding and keeping birds as we do on this site is to be applauded but in the developing world there just aren't the resources or the culture for this type of thing. Thins are improving in the Philippines yesterday at Cartimar markets in Manila there were only 3 shops with baby blue-naped parrots at 3 shops, an owl, a monkey and an endless array of reef fish! As these societies become richer they tend to become more aware of welfare and conservation issues.

I read an article concerning the 4Corners expose about the intellectual gulf that exists between perceived animal right and realized animal welfare comparing Indonesia and Australia. So much is cultural artifact and neither side can see why the other is complacent/upset. We go to the supermarket and buy dressed meat on a styrofoam tray that bears little resemblance to the lamb frolicking in the field and most of us would say no to a school excursion to an abattoir but that is the reality of the product and really there is nothing intrinsically wrong with it. I don't tell the kids to hope the gazelle escapes the lion when we watch Animal Planet as surely that condemns the lion to die and weakens the gene pool of both species.

[toothlessjaws]

Australian birds should never be treated like that.

i dont think it much matters if they are, or are not australian. animals shouldn't be treated like that.

but i have to say, i ma really quite surprised by some of the comments here. i have seen virtually just as cruel practises in petshops and bird dealers in australia. we happen to have less birds in smaller cages but the overcrowding is still almost just as bad.