Hybrids

[mickw]

Whats responsible when there are 233 individuals true-to-type, or fecund in captivity deb?......

PS:
233 is just metaphorical.....but it may shock how few of some species are held .....

"fecund" (offspring survive to reproduce) is really important ..............

Who among you mutant wranglers actually knows how many true-to-type individuals of your preffered species there are and therefore what affect are you having on the viability of a captive population into the future:?: ...... "Its Somebody else's job to look after that".......Is this yet another case of NIMBYism ......ie Not In My Back Yard

PSS: These questions are not meant to offend....but probably have ......rather, they are meant to provoke thought ......and maybe, interest/value in wild-type breeding

PSSS.....Its a nice bottle of Red ....and lonely here on top of my soap box .......see you all at the STGF Open Day!

[jusdeb]

I can see your point only too well Mickw .
The shame of it is there is a very real chance that pure coloured birds will become a thing of the past and splits or full mutations take over .

For the small hobbyist like me who does own and like mutations the best I can do is also keep and breed pure coloured birds free of splits or mutant genes .

The thing is if people were honest when selling birds and told buyers that the birds may be split to this and that then some of the animosity of the purists against the mutation breeders would not exist .

I like what I like and I tell people what they are buying . I dont like split birds at all , if I have a mutation then what you see is what you get .

I also keep normals and breed them as such , they will never be put to a mutation bird as it took me too long to find genetically uncluttered birds .

This is always going to be controversial . Sadly its the irresponsible breeders making it hard for those who do care .

[desertbirds]

Responsible mutation breeding

Reckless greedy mutation breeding

Responsible mutation breeding. I guess thats the same responsible program that now ensures its almost impossible to purchase how many native finch and parrot species. How can we think wrecking so many species is in some way responsible ? Once again , no offence jusdeb and i too have been guilty, just not goin there again. Are there members that really want to see the first lutino lesser or cinnamon Red Eared Fire Tail. ? Im just not sure where it ends with mutations but history would suggest it doesnt end until a species is stuffed.

[mickw]

I can see your point only too well Mickw .
The shame of it is there is a very real chance that pure coloured birds will become a thing of the past and splits or full mutations take over ............ . Sadly its the irresponsible breeders making it hard for those who do care .

Its not so much irresponsibility deb, its probably as Orix has suggested.........a lack of education......and sooooooo much mainstream interest on forums....and literature.....and books/texts....discussion....on MUTATIONS ....and hybrids

[jusdeb]

As always I respect your opinions on the matter and it is food for thought .

Just dont shoot the messenger OK .

And even though it wasn't a personal attack I do get annoyed when I am made to feel bad for choosing the birds I keep because they are not what others like .

Its my hobby and I am honest with people buying my birds that's all I can do .

[Lonchura]

Any chance of getting some photos posted here? It may help inform people of what to look out for.

[Lonchura]

GregH wrote

If… somone did this I'd recommend they be strung up unless they were beyond saving by conventional means

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What did you mean by conventional means? Was it to undo the hybrid If it was fertile?

[finchbreeder]

I think Greg is refering to a type of finch being beyond saving by conventional means. e.g. It is found that there are only 10 of someting left in Aust. Aviculture and every one of them is female or firing blanks.
How do you save it? By crossing to the most closely related species, and trying to draw the seperate types out in a couple of generations.
LML

[arthur]

Well I breed mutations . . and I don't feel guilty about that

I breed normal birds as well . . and I don't feel superior about that

I've made money from breeding birds (mutations and normals) . . and I don't feel guilty about that

I've taken birds from the wild in the past . . and I don't feel guilty about that

(And if I happen to see a dilute Red Eared Firetail in the wild, I will do my best to catch it . . . Purely to prevent it from polluting the genes of the wild population, of course)

I've probably kept and bred offspring of smuggled birds . . and I don't feel guilty about that

I like to regard myself as an objective and moral person, who sails by his own moral compass, and one who doesn't try to force his own values onto others

"Live and let live"

"What aviculture needs is . . fewer people telling us what aviculture needs"

Whether this be at the regulation . . or the participation level

What has this to do with hybrids . . Probably nothing

FIRE AT WILL !!

[angus]

Certainly thrown the cat amongst the pigeons with this topic . Good to read the different points of view . cheers