Pedigree / breeding software

[ikhom]

Thanks natamambo,
I looked at budgies genetic and I don't think I'm ready for it yet. Maybe in your opinion it is not complicated, but there are too many mutations available and it is confusing to me at this stage. I decided to start from Parrotfinches. First with Red-throated PF that has only two mutations (Seagreen and Pied) and then move to BFPF with 3 mutations. It could help me to define the structure of tables that are necessary to create genetic calculator. The thing about mutations that when I add one the number of combinations quadruples because of single and double factors. And since I want to use images to represent every combination it makes my job more complicated. It is possible that using layers to represent mutations and creating images of birds on the fly, by applying these layers to the normal birds could be easier. I already using this technology to generate small icons for bands and bird heads.
Here is the prototype for Red-throated PF. Click on the to change them.
-Does anybody know if Double Factor Pied could exist and if yes does it multiply the effect of Single Factor?
-Online Gouldian Genetics Forecast uses XX and XY as sex chromosomes, but in the most other publications they use ZZ and ZW to describe sex chromosomes in birds. It could create confusion. What would you use in my place?

[natamambo]

Ikhom, no disrepsect but if budgies are too hard then I'll keep searching anyway. You are smart though in tackling things gradually, I've spent most of the past 30 years waiting for one vapourware product after another.

ZZ and ZW are the "official" scientific designations for all animals where the egg (not the sperm) determines the sex of the young, including reptiles and stuff. V3 of GGF uses this notation but I've never used earlier versions to know what they used.

Where GGF is not helpful is using + to denote the dominant gene of the some traits but also + to denote some of the recessive traits so that RZR+ = red but ZG = Euro Yellow and ZG+ = (recessive to EY/YB) wild Green. However at least the forecaster works, for that many people are grateful.

[natamambo]

Bird Evolution Pro has just had an update which includes the ability to download genetic profiles - saves building them yourself! I've downloaded the Gouldian and it needs some tweaking (doesn't have Aus yellow, calls yellow back yellow body, says a hen yellow back is split yellow, doesn't have blue variations eg silver) but it is a start. I'm going to explore more and perhaps correspond with them re the missing genetics and incorrect nomenclature as it's now the closest thing I have found so far.

[ikhom]

Thanks natamambo,
It is too late for me. I've already done most of programming for genetic forecast. I also included 'Australian Yellow'. I'm missing icons for different mutations, but I need them for other parts of my site; so I'm going to create them anyway. My system doesn't generate phenotype automatically only genotype, so I have to enter all phenotypes manually. I can program to generate phenotype, but it could be more difficult than entering it manually at this point.
I'm not competing with 'Bird Evolution Pro'. My site is not commercial. It is free. More choices we have, better for all of us- finch breeders.
You also don't have to be login to access genetic forecasts. Just go to Species section.

[Diane]

Regarding the leg banding system other members use.

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