Just When Did Importation of Exotics Cease?
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jusdeb
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Yes explains it however 50 years ago a lot of the species that are around today were not even heard of , those that did import them must have had a very limited gene pool to work with so was there enough different bloodlines to prevent serious problems from inbreeding ?
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I only said that because I heard some people were caught doing it. I saw the report.
Frankly I have to agree with Deb's comment.
Frankly I have to agree with Deb's comment.
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Deb . .
Hopefully this is an intelligent answer . .
The truth of the matter is that there are MANY FEWER finch species available today than what were available 30 years ago . .
And . . MANY,MANY FEWER than there were 60 years ago in 1948 . .
And in 30 years time
Species that have disappeared include, in no particular order:--
Quail Finches, 'True' Magpie Mannikins, Bronze-winged Mannikins, Moustached Weavers, Half-masked Weavers, Red-billed weavers, Russ Weavers, White-winged Whydahs, Paradise Whydahs, Fischer's Whydahs, Sundevall's Waxbills, Blue-breasted Cordon Bleu . . (Africa)
Green Cardinals, Virginian Cardinals, Pope Cardinals, Pygmy Cardinals . . (Americas)
Burmese Nuns, Bamboo Parrot Finch . . (Asia)
No doubt older, harder heads can add a few that I have missed . .
Whether the world would be a better place for not mentioning 'illegal imports' . . I will not debate
BUT . .To give beginners to our great hobby the impression that current stocks of exotic finches are propped up by'illegal imports' will certainly not make the Finch-World a better place
PS This is not meant to be a personal attack on any forumite . . It is simply pointing out the facts as objectively as possible . .
Replies and criticism welcomed
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Hopefully this is an intelligent answer . .
The truth of the matter is that there are MANY FEWER finch species available today than what were available 30 years ago . .
And . . MANY,MANY FEWER than there were 60 years ago in 1948 . .
And in 30 years time
Species that have disappeared include, in no particular order:--
Quail Finches, 'True' Magpie Mannikins, Bronze-winged Mannikins, Moustached Weavers, Half-masked Weavers, Red-billed weavers, Russ Weavers, White-winged Whydahs, Paradise Whydahs, Fischer's Whydahs, Sundevall's Waxbills, Blue-breasted Cordon Bleu . . (Africa)
Green Cardinals, Virginian Cardinals, Pope Cardinals, Pygmy Cardinals . . (Americas)
Burmese Nuns, Bamboo Parrot Finch . . (Asia)
No doubt older, harder heads can add a few that I have missed . .
Whether the world would be a better place for not mentioning 'illegal imports' . . I will not debate
BUT . .To give beginners to our great hobby the impression that current stocks of exotic finches are propped up by'illegal imports' will certainly not make the Finch-World a better place
PS This is not meant to be a personal attack on any forumite . . It is simply pointing out the facts as objectively as possible . .
Replies and criticism welcomed
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Thank you ...
So my next part of the question is ...Is this the reason so many people do not have any luck with exotics ? Have they been so inbred that they are just too hard to breed?
In regards to illegal imports , we all know it happens so why blanket it from the newer bird keepers ? They just may be the generation that can put a stop to it , if they are truly bird lovers they will be just as sickened by it as the rest of us .
So my next part of the question is ...Is this the reason so many people do not have any luck with exotics ? Have they been so inbred that they are just too hard to breed?
In regards to illegal imports , we all know it happens so why blanket it from the newer bird keepers ? They just may be the generation that can put a stop to it , if they are truly bird lovers they will be just as sickened by it as the rest of us .
Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue.
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i have just spoken to one of the more senior finch breeders 89 years strong . he told me that they were still able to buy finches , legally , off the chinese merchant ships in newcastle up until bans were imposed in 1974 . i will go and see him tomorrow . to give you a taste, since having met this bloke he has kept at one time or another red crested cardinals , orange cheeks, dybowsky twinspots , peters twinspots, peales parrot finches , violet ears, the only pairs of large green singers i ever saw, mesias & pekin robins. i know that himself and a friend of his had 4 pairs of lavenders between them , but that was before i knew him.
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jusdeb
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awesome avishoot , look forward to reading whatever you find out .
Just another question ..has it ever been petitioned to let birds into the country ?
Just another question ..has it ever been petitioned to let birds into the country ?
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jusdeb
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OMG do you think I wouldnt if I knew of them . Have you ever read a newspaper or watched the news or maybe border patrol .
Hang on maybe I should just get around with my head up my bum and pretend it doesnt happen , yeah that will make it go away .
And why did this become a sxxt fight over illegal imports all I want to know whats holding exotic species together with such a tiny gene pool to work with and what if anything has been done to try and get new blood in .
Hang on maybe I should just get around with my head up my bum and pretend it doesnt happen , yeah that will make it go away .
And why did this become a sxxt fight over illegal imports all I want to know whats holding exotic species together with such a tiny gene pool to work with and what if anything has been done to try and get new blood in .
Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue.
David Brent
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Gary Fitt states in a letter on behalf of NFSA that "the current blanket ban on import of exotic birds, in place since 1962".
http://www.environment.gov.au/epbc/revi ... -assoc.pdf
He doesn't reference this date.
http://www.environment.gov.au/epbc/revi ... -assoc.pdf
He doesn't reference this date.
- Avishoot, those docks are <500 m from my place, it would be interesting to know the birds that passed through.avishoot wrote:off the chinese merchant ships in newcastle