grit

[BrettB]

At the risk of taking this thread even further off topic, I would like to comment of the use of insoluble grit as a nutritional aid.
By definition it is insoluble, ie it does not dissolve, so the vast majority of it passes through the digestive tract. This would rule it out as a significant source of macro nutrients.
Could it be a source of micro nutrients? These are the chemicals listed on the back of any multivitamin bottle.
As a general principle micronutrients are better absorbed in organic form (attached to organic molecules, also known as food) than inorganic form (rocks)
Are your birds getting enough Molybdenum? I went down this track many years ago, it is the road to madness.
Give your birds a varied diet and they should get all the micronutrients they need.

Cheers
Brett

[finchbreeder]

The only experience (family not personal) that I have had with crop compaction was with baby budgies. When the breeder, who has always before and since used grainy sand for grit. Used very fine sand one year. Bad idea, it compacted.
LML

[starman]

I went down this track many years ago, it is the road to madness.

For the aviculturist.... a road well-travelled....no GPS required.

[STUART WHITING]

The only experience (family not personal) that I have had with crop compaction was with baby budgies. When the breeder, who has always before and since used grainy sand for grit. Used very fine sand one year. Bad idea, it compacted.
LML

Mmm.......very interesting quote that finchbreeder, seeming that it's just been recently mentioned that a lot of Aussie finch breeders use sand in the bottom of there avaires and state that this is what there birds are used to and use it as grit,

I'm not so sure I'll be using it now after just being advised about its use

I've heard enough about insoluble grit and nothing is particularly good, all I've really heard is negative reports about its use,

At the present I'm sticking with soluble as at least the birds body acids can dissolve soluble if there are any problems, this to me would make far more sence

[nicko]

Here's my personal view for what it's worth.

While this topic has been interesting reading, scientifc evidence (about anything) can be very subjective as no two evidence's will totally agree. What I/we need to do is decide which to believe, whether that be breeders experience or scientific evidence & go with that. Evidence out of Amercia, Europe, Britain is not necessary relevant to Australia or visa versa & sometimes I think we probably try to be too kind.

[Craig52]

Here's my personal view for what it's worth.

While this topic has been interesting reading, scientifc evidence (about anything) can be very subjective as no two evidence's will totally agree. What I/we need to do is decide which to believe, whether that be breeders experience or scientific evidence & go with that. Evidence out of Amercia, Europe, Britain is not necessary relevant to Australia or visa versa & sometimes I think we probably try to be too kind.

Yes i agree nicko well said, just get on with breeding your birds, enjoy them and be happy. Leave the scientific stuff to the experts as they need to make a living too. Cheers Craig

[STUART WHITING]

Here's my personal view for what it's worth.

While this topic has been interesting reading, scientifc evidence (about anything) can be very subjective as no two evidence's will totally agree. What I/we need to do is decide which to believe, whether that be breeders experience or scientific evidence & go with that. Evidence out of Amercia, Europe, Britain is not necessary relevant to Australia or visa versa & sometimes I think we probably try to be too kind.

Hi nicko,

Yep I can go along with that, in fairness yer probably right as everyone is different and the general husbandry, diet and supplements of there birds can differ slightly aswell,
this in term could slightly alter the birds digestive system compared to other birds and of course it all depends on the birds themselves IE there strengths, stamina, immunity etc

Be lucky

[E Orix]

I won't get involved with regard insoluble or soluble grit I will leave that up the deep thinkers.
What I will say; until my birds start growing teeth I will be feeding grit or offering sand on the aviary floor.
If you are crushing up a concoction simply don't make it too fine, dust won't assist and go directly through the bird.
Grit passing through the digestion system can actually be regarded as a type of pipe cleaner, dust just does nothing in my opinion.

[starman]

.......I will leave that up the deep thinkers.

...and that may well spell the end of the "Great Grit Debate" , EO.

[starman]

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