Re: Last years youg are this years breeders
Posted: 28 Jun 2013, 19:27
Hi all,
I don't want to hijack this wonderful thread on the WB's so I will keep it quite short, if needs be I will pull this reply out and start a new thread to leave this one alone. I am certainly no where near as qualified on paper as to dispute some of Mikes findings but I have to question the statement that in the wild they engaged in communal nesting, happy to stand corrected. I fully believe that until you see the setups you cant make a comment as to other success and failings wrt the crimson. I have to question some of the broader findings/misrepresentations about the crimson in general in the aviculture world. I started with running three pair in a single mixed species planted aviary (8*4*3) with no overt aggression, dominance/pecking order yes, but aggression no. Yes the crimson will stand its ground (particularly when it comes to nest protection - if anything enters within approx a meter of the nest watch out) but not to the point of willful and malicious damage to other species, just some wrestling. Most damage is done by keeping other of its own species away from a single food source so they end up running out of steam so to speak - easy to remedy that one. I also think that the bad wrap comes from older avicultural setups putting crimsons into a 900 wide * 2.4 deep * 2m high cells (aviary) devoid of any refuge/hiding spaces. Some anecdotal evidence suggests that any level of inbreeding will cause aggression to increase - easy to remedy that one as well in the BB form maybe not so for the WB's. Having said enough I think Craig and his network are doing the right thing from what we can see on the forum and their effort to outbreed and get good lines going is beyond encouraging - Well done Craig
I don't want to hijack this wonderful thread on the WB's so I will keep it quite short, if needs be I will pull this reply out and start a new thread to leave this one alone. I am certainly no where near as qualified on paper as to dispute some of Mikes findings but I have to question the statement that in the wild they engaged in communal nesting, happy to stand corrected. I fully believe that until you see the setups you cant make a comment as to other success and failings wrt the crimson. I have to question some of the broader findings/misrepresentations about the crimson in general in the aviculture world. I started with running three pair in a single mixed species planted aviary (8*4*3) with no overt aggression, dominance/pecking order yes, but aggression no. Yes the crimson will stand its ground (particularly when it comes to nest protection - if anything enters within approx a meter of the nest watch out) but not to the point of willful and malicious damage to other species, just some wrestling. Most damage is done by keeping other of its own species away from a single food source so they end up running out of steam so to speak - easy to remedy that one. I also think that the bad wrap comes from older avicultural setups putting crimsons into a 900 wide * 2.4 deep * 2m high cells (aviary) devoid of any refuge/hiding spaces. Some anecdotal evidence suggests that any level of inbreeding will cause aggression to increase - easy to remedy that one as well in the BB form maybe not so for the WB's. Having said enough I think Craig and his network are doing the right thing from what we can see on the forum and their effort to outbreed and get good lines going is beyond encouraging - Well done Craig