What is the diference??

[Stavros01]

Hi to all.

I have a couple of erythrura pealii.
However their is another specie called erythrura cyaneovirens which in my opinion are look a like
Beside their territory, which any other diference exist beetwen them??
And even is it possible to cross this two species??

Regards
Gustavo

[Netsurfer]

Hi to all.

I have a couple of erythrura pealii.
However their is another specie called erythrura cyaneovirens which in my opinion are look a like
Beside their territory, which any other diference exist beetwen them??
And even is it possible to cross this two species??

Regards
Gustavo

Erythrura pealii is native to Fiji and the erythrura cyaneovirens to Samoa (are different subspecies)! Erythrura cyaneovirens has a little bit more blue around its breast.
And why would you wanna cross them??? They are worth their weight in gold as pure subspecies.

[Tiaris]

cyaneovirens is the species of which peale's (pealii) and royal (regina) parrotfinches are regarded by some taxonomists as subspecies. Royal is also found on some fijian islands with a few different graduated forms based on the amount of blue on the body. True Royals (strongest blue) are supposed to be far more frugivorous than are Peale's, but both forms are very closely related to each other. Not all taxonomists recognise cyaneovirens & just regard Peale's & Royals as distinct species. It would be an aweful shame to cross the 2 species/subspecies but I'm sure it is possible & I guess the hybrid progeny would be fertile - please don't.

[Netsurfer]

cyaneovirens is the species of which peale's (pealii) and royal (regina) parrotfinches are regarded by some taxonomists as subspecies. Royal is also found on some fijian islands with a few different graduated forms based on the amount of blue on the body. True Royals (strongest blue) are supposed to be far more frugivorous than are Peale's, but both forms are very closely related to each other. Not all taxonomists recognise cyaneovirens & just regard Peale's & Royals as distinct species. It would be an aweful shame to cross the 2 species/subspecies but I'm sure it is possible & I guess the hybrid progeny would be fertile - please don't.

I can't remember now but I think there are 5 or so subspecies from Peale's to Royal, all are with red head with various amounts of blue on the breast. To me I'd say they are all the same bird probably subspecies, the Royals from Samoa (all blue) being the prettiest. Most of them are still available in Europe, we did have them in Australia.

[Stavros01]

No, no i do not want to cross them, NEVER
I only asked it because i have a couple and the male died.
However i got another but he is very diferente in colour and size: almost the twice as size and he as much more blue is his breast than the other male.
I was wondering if it was a pealii or a cyaneovirens.


Regards

[Stavros01]

Hi,

Is it possile to someone post some fotos of this two species, so that i may see the diference??
I ask this becuse on the net i see several species but all look a like to me

Thank´s

Gustavo

[Netsurfer]

Hi,

Is it possile to someone post some fotos of this two species, so that i may see the diference??
I ask this becuse on the net i see several species but all look a like to me

Thank´s

Gustavo

It is best to look it up in the book "Finches and sparrows" page 51. According to Clement, Harris and Davis they are all Erythrura cyaneovirens, but 'Regia', 'Pealii' and 'Serena' are the subspecies. I always thought that the 'serena' was actually 'cyaneovirens' (with blue on its neck) but I must have been wrong!

Samoa Parrot Finch (Erythrura cyaneovirens)
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee4 ... virens.jpg
http://twearth.com/species/red-headed-parrotfinch
http://ibc.lynxeds.com/photo/red-headed ... rd-perched

Peales Parrot Finch
http://www.vogelproblemen.nl/Kortstaart ... madine.htm
http://s1230.photobucket.com/user/poeph ... i.jpg.html
http://ibc.lynxeds.com/photo/red-headed ... el-grounds

Royal Parrotfinch (Erythrura regia)
http://s1230.photobucket.com/user/poeph ... 2.jpg.html
http://www.mangoverde.com/birdsound/pic ... -94-1.html

Pink billed Parrotfinch
http://www.arkive.org/pink-billed-parro ... rtletV3api

See also
http://birdsandaviary.tr.gg/Papagan-isp ... es-k2-.htm
http://www.foros.net/viewtopic.php?t=96 ... ropoephila

[Stavros01]

thank you, netsurfer for your reply.
but i can not see any diference beetween de bird on the 2º link and the bird on the 3º link.
They are just look-a-like, are they not??

This is the male i have. What is it?'

[vettepilot_6]

According to the link as far as I can make out Samoa and Peales Parrot Finch the same bird (Erythrura cyaneovirens or pealii)

[Netsurfer]

Ornithologists are not always knowledgeable people they often disagree with each other make mistakes etc, plus you get people posting on internet all kinds of cockamamie info. I always thought that the difference between the two 'Erythrura regia' and 'Erythrura cyaneovirens' was as in the link below. Now as far as I know 'Erythrura regia' is native to Samoa and not as it says in the link below "Fiji". There are 6 different subspecies distributed throughout those small islands, some may look similar but the third one the least colorful points out to the Fiji Parrotfinch (Erythrura pealii). The other three are probably somewhere in between of the three subspecies mentioned above. Just remember, the difference in size of the tibia (the leg bone) is enough to qualify for a subspecies even if everything else is identical to one of the other subspecies. However, I may be wrong again! According to "Clement Harris and Davis"
Erythrura regia is native to Fiji and not Samoa. Now you get the picture???!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Parrotfinch

E.c.cyaneovirens ----- Savaii, Upoplu, Western Samoa
E.c.gaughrani ----- Savaii, Western Samoa
E.c.regia ----- Banks island (Santa Marta), Vanuatu (northern New Hebrides)
E.c. efatensis ----- Aneitum and Efate (New Hebrides)
E.c.serena ----- Aneitum island (southern New Hebrides)
E.c.pealii ----- Fiji (Kandavu, Viti Levu, Vanua Levu and Taveuni)