Split pied?

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deegs
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Hello to all,
I have been breeding a pied cock to a normal hen this season and some of the babies are normal, will they be split for pied? Thanks for your help, Deegs.
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Hi,yes they are.It's a mutation where you get a lot of pied,very little or no pied where it is hidden but these birds bred to a heavy pied can produce some very nice pied birds and two heavy pied birds can produce birds with no pied but have yellow bills.It's a hit and miss pied but dominant. Craig
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No, dominant mutation = no splits.
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Craig52 wrote:Hi,yes they are.It's a mutation where you get a lot of pied,very little or no pied where it is hidden but these birds bred to a heavy pied can produce some very nice pied birds and two heavy pied birds can produce birds with no pied but have yellow bills.It's a hit and miss pied but dominant. Craig
Tiaris wrote:No, dominant mutation = no splits.
Ooops,you are right Tiaris,"it's a mutation where you get a lot of pied,very little pied or no pied at all where it is hidden" so no pied at all is not a split it's a non visual pied. Cheers Craig :thumbup:
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Craig52 wrote:
Craig52 wrote:Hi,yes they are.It's a mutation where you get a lot of pied,very little or no pied where it is hidden but these birds bred to a heavy pied can produce some very nice pied birds and two heavy pied birds can produce birds with no pied but have yellow bills.It's a hit and miss pied but dominant. Craig
Tiaris wrote:No, dominant mutation = no splits.
Ooops,you are right Tiaris,"it's a mutation where you get a lot of pied,very little pied or no pied at all where it is hidden" so no pied at all is not a split it's a non visual pied. Cheers Craig :thumbup:
Hehe .... Yes I very much argee with your corrected statement. I don't refer to non visual Pieds as being splits,if a parent was pied all offspring is pied no matter what they look like.

I'm looking forward to a few Pieds I bred last year that look like normals to breed this year, if only that seagreen gene would appear as well.... :D

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Hi Rich,hopefully you have a strain that has NO seagreen floating around in your pied birds.So please don't mix them,if you like them that much set up a colony on their own.Personally,i don't like seagreen pieds with their wishy washy cream pied compared to the bright yellow on a green bird but every one to themselves. :thumbup: Craig
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It's a funny thing. I grew up with a mother who breeds budgies. So my intro to birds was with a strong emphasis on genetics and mutations. And my favourite budgies are pieds and the bright coulours. BUT I find that i frequently don't like pied finches. Think it is because the pieding is generally not neat and uniform, but messy and splotchy. So my favourite parrot finches are normal original types.
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Hi to all and thanks for the feedback. I'm still a little confused though. Will the normal looking babies, with black beaks, but with a heavy pied father, produce pied babies if paired to a normal bird next season? Cheers again for the help, Deegs.
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deegs wrote:Hi to all and thanks for the feedback. I'm still a little confused though. Will the normal looking babies, with black beaks, but with a heavy pied father, produce pied babies if paired to a normal bird next season? Cheers again for the help, Deegs.
Yes and no,as i said it's a hit and miss mutation.If you want to continue breeding good pieds,a heavy pied to a light seems to be the way to go. Craig
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Interesting I always thought that these occured in single and double factor.

A double factor bird throws all pieds (single or double factor dependending on its mate) where a single factor when paired with the right/or wrong partner throws a proportion of both pieds and normals. I think Firetail 555 may be able to add to this.

I also recall an old Australian Birdkeeper article written by the founders of pied redfaces in Australia and they mentioned that any hatchling (upon hatching) that had a black tip to its beak comes out as a normal and bred true to normal. I have noticed that some young birds hatch with yellow tips but by the time they have fledged they have darkened to that of a normal so these would still be pied.

If a bird is pied then there is no logic/reason as to how heavily variegated the bird will be. Ray explained it to me that a pied bird (thats one that did not have a black tipped beak upon hatching) is like a artists easel. If the bird is pied then the artist get to throw paint at it - some get lots, somes get litte and some totally missed (i.e the amount of variegation is random). The black tipped ones however have no paint thrown at them at all.
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