Coopex safe in drinking water?

[elferoz777]

is coopex safe in drinking water?

Is so at what dose?

Im getting conflicting info re its uses.

[matcho]

Elferoz777,

I haven't heard of it being used in drinking water before and just read the instructions in regards to its use and it stipulates not to spray on foodstuffs and especially water as it is toxic to water living creatures. In otherwords I would give it a big , fat, no! If you find out otherwise please let us know.

Ken

[elferoz777]

I did it then had a moment and replaced all the dishes i dosed and on some moxi.

There woukd be residual but not much sfter i rinsed. I jused the water to clean the floor but im concerned re the ingo i got to give it to them in water.......if i lise all my cup nesters and 50 zebs we will know how potent residual in water trays may be....ffs

[Tiaris]

Coopex, being an insecticide, is specifically designed to kill small animals. Deliberately forcing slightly larger animals (finches) to ingest it is only recommended if the desired effect is considerable physical harm at best.

[matcho]

Elf,

The bottom line is this, I use Coopex often to the detriment of mites, spiders, ants and any other creepy crawlies that decide to to make your aviary home. Because it is a residual I spray my nest boxes after the season, leave them out and then give them a light spray a week before I put them back. I also spray perches about the same time I use Moxyplus and Baycox. Seems to have the desired effect.

When I spray there is no doubt some of the mist gets on the ground and substrate but I do remove the water and seed containers just to be sure. The funny thing is that when all the naughty things start falling the birds attack. I think the dosage is minimal to keep the creepy crawlies at bay. Tiny amount does the job, but in the water? No! Although it is an insecticide just look at what they have done in the past in regards to fertility, egg hardness, etc, etc. Think DDT. Not saying it is the same but I am not comfortable with over use.

Ken.

[Craig52]

Without checking i think coopex is pyrethrin based,even so don't use in drinking water. It is quite safe if you accidently spray your birds when using it so they would ingest some when preening themselves without ill effects imo. Craig

[elferoz777]

Hmmmm i may have avoided mass death by removing it within 30 mins of placing the water trays.

I have an ass to kick next week.

[matcho]

Craig,

Agree with you if it is pyrethrin based, a natural pesticide from daisies is it? Anyhow good call, mum used to plant daisies and chrysanthemums amongst the vegies as well as another thing that look like geranium, kept the mozzies and other bugs away.

Ken.

[Stu]

Pyrethrin can be derived from the Pyrethrum flower which are also know as Chrysanthemum.
Permethrin is the synthetic/man made version.
Coopex contains Permethrin as does most off the shelf insecticides.
Permethrin and Pyrethrin are neurotoxins and kills or repels insects.
Permethrin supposedly has a low toxicity in relation to humans, other mammals and birds. It has a greater effect on cold blooded animals and highly toxic to fish.
Permethrin is highly toxic to cats.

[E Orix]

Why would anyone even consider letting their birds ingest it.
Isn't the plethora of medicines available enough.
I think it is time for these dose manic people to sit down and think about what direction they need to take.
Spend some time working out a 12 month feeding program and maybe their breeding results may improve
and also maybe those dreaded parasites won't over run the collection after all.
If you give your birds adequate protection from the elements, a good diet program and don't over crowd
you will be amazed as to how few birds are lost and most likely your breeding result will improve.