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possible hybid
Posted: 01 Mar 2018, 14:07
by shnapper20
hi ive got diamonds and painteds in the one aviary, several young diamonds on the perch being fed by a diamond and a painted. the young look like normal diamonds. I've had gouldians who feed everyones babies is it possible this is the case with the painted?
Re: possible hybid
Posted: 01 Mar 2018, 14:56
by starman
John,
I've never seen a diamond x painted documented or referenced. That is not to say that it is impossible, just highly unlikely.... probably more of a
case that the painted is just helping out.
Re: possible hybid
Posted: 01 Mar 2018, 15:21
by shnapper20
thanks starman I hope so too. At any rate illl keep an eye on the young and move the painteds in with my gouldians. Ive been watching them all arvo the diamond is a hen and the painted is a cock. No other diamond has been near them. If they turn out to be hybrids I guess ill have to euthanize them. There is an even number of hens and cocks in the aviary so its surprising if it is the case.
Re: possible hybid
Posted: 01 Mar 2018, 15:55
by arthur
Immelmann in his 'Australian Finches' cites no records of such a hybrid; and no reference is found in the 'Handbook of Hybrids'. . which of course doesn't mean that none has occurred (or that yours is not the first) . . and they are both firetails after all
But my guess is 'no'
The thing that I can't work out is the 'drive a wooden stake through their hearts' attitude towards hybrids
Possibly people somehow feel that it is a reflection on their husbandry, or status as a responsible custodian
These things happen; and sometimes as a result of chance matings between extremely unlikely partners
Deliberate hybridisation of course is a completely different situation
A long time ago, I found a hybrid in my large aviary which had been produced by two of the following: Saint Helena, Cordon Blue, Crimson . . I was never quite sure as I could see characteristics of all three; and because it was a large enclosure, didn't even know it was there in time to see which birds fed it
It was given to a lady who collected hybrids. She had quite a few, but made no attempt to breed them
I find hybrids a very interesting subject . . and until I got my new computer
had a pretty large collection of pix that I had 'pinched' from the internet . . I cannot recall a Diamond x Painted though
Re: possible hybid
Posted: 01 Mar 2018, 15:57
by shnapper20
after doing a search or 2. GregH posted this link
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=MwI ... ra&f=false if im reading it right there was a cross between a painted cock and diamond hen in 1889.
Re: possible hybid
Posted: 01 Mar 2018, 16:02
by shnapper20
point taken arthur, if they are hybrids Ill seperate the parents. Not yet as they are still weening them, and go looking for a collector who doesnt breed them.
Re: possible hybid
Posted: 01 Mar 2018, 16:29
by arthur
shnapper20 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2018, 15:57
if im reading it right there was a cross between a painted cock and diamond hen in 1889.
Before my time . .
But Craig might remember it
Re: possible hybid
Posted: 01 Mar 2018, 16:32
by shnapper20
Re: possible hybid
Posted: 01 Mar 2018, 16:34
by starman
shnapper20 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2018, 15:57
if im reading it right there was a cross between a painted cock and diamond hen in 1889.
I'm basically lazy, John...... you didn't note a page number by any chance?
Re: possible hybid
Posted: 01 Mar 2018, 16:53
by arthur
I couldn't find it by typing "emblema pictum" into the search bit . . but didn't persevere . .
You know . . we all should get out a bit more
Without going back to check, p.277 rings a bell . . (went back and checked)