Random question one: Spinifex hopping mice.

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Some of these came up recently for sale:
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Deadly little buggers, they are.
One of only two native mammals that can be kept in NSW (I would prefer to keep feather gliders, but can't).
I understand that they smell a bit rodenty, though not as bad as mice and rats, which is part of the reason that I didn't get them at that time. They are still available (as of last week).

Yesterday, a friend with a pet rat remarked that it's rodenty smell keeps the mice away, a comment I have heard many times before.

Has anyone kept spinifex hopping mice? Any unexpected issues or problems? Do they breed like rabbits (or zebrats), or are they a little harder than that to breed? Might they repel field/house mice?

I am thinking of making a hot and dry, spinifex-cum-saltbush aviary at some stage. The floor will be concrete beneath gravel covered in coarse sand, and the construction properly mouseproof. I would include paints and pictorellas in the mix of birds initially, with enough room to include some crimson chats and fairy wrens in the fullness of time. The SHMs are often kept in small terraria; I would keep them in a smaller subdivision of the 'desert' aviary to guarantee that most of the possible nesting sites and feed stations are protected from them.

Thanks in advance for experience/thoughts,
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Can't help on the hopping mice I'm afraid but this comment I find interesting
mattymeischke wrote:Yesterday, a friend with a pet rat remarked that it's rodenty smell keeps the mice away, a comment I have heard many times before.
I too have heard this and it has also been my experience that when rats are about I seldom (if ever) see a mouse. I wonder if keeping a pet rat within an aviary (in a cage of course) would be enough to keep mice away? I've also thought about keeping a snake in a cage within an aviary to keep mice away. Has anyone ever tried this?

(Sorry for being off topic matty).
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SamDavis wrote:(Sorry for being off topic matty).
Au contraire, Sam, not off-topic at all.

A (relatively) small glass terrarium along the most vermin-exposed edge with a python in it, some mouse sized holes in the front of it and no access to the main aviary... ....an interesting proposition.

Like most primates, I find the rodent smell objectionable. However, I hope that with a small population and sufficient space, this would not be a big problem.

Food for thought.
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I kept SHM a few years ago and they are a delight, trouble is they are nocturnal and you will never see them unless you use a torch an night. They do keep other mice away and only have 3 or 4 young to a litter and not as often as the house mouse. Keep in mind when designing the enclosure that they can't climb as the house mouse can.
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On the same topic but a bit bigger - has anyone tried guinea pigs to ward off mice successfully? I'm fighting a losing battle at the moment in one flight as the mice have nested (and presumably bred) in the pot plants. We tried guinea pigs years ago but the foxy thought they were dinner and we had to take them out again before he scratched through the wire.
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Guinea pigs and any rodents really, can be vectors of various diseases that can be transmitted to birds. Maybe Danny or Stacey can elaborate more on that.
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Tintola wrote:Keep in mind when designing the enclosure that they can't climb as the house mouse can.
That should make it easier. How high do you think a glass barrier would have to be to keep them in?
Tintola wrote:trouble is they are nocturnal and you will never see them unless you use a torch an night
Hmmm. How do you know they are happy and healthy if you only ever see them like that, or do you just set them up and let them go, with occasional torchlight inspection?

It goes some way to explaining why they are not an especially popular pet...
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mattymeischke wrote:
Tintola wrote:trouble is they are nocturnal and you will never see them unless you use a torch an night
Hmmm. How do you know they are happy and healthy if you only ever see them like that, or do you just set them up and let them go, with occasional torchlight inspection?

It goes some way to explaining why they are not an especially popular pet...
You couLd always put them in with some nocturnal birds and use a dark red photo lab lamp to watch them all at night :lol: .
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Give them nest boxes that you can open for inspection on a regular basis to check health etc.
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Nice. Would they move into a little finch box happily, or would there have to be no alternative nesting sites?
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