Inbreeding: Yes or Absolute No?

[TailFeathers]

I, going to have to agree with Arthur and tia here. It sounds more logical and I read somewhere that inbreeding was actually misunderstood, most specifically with avian species because the shared DNA from the cock and hen do not necessarily mean that there is an even 50-50split. Instead more genes can be passed from one parent to the babies

Just think of the reason why it's so easy to breed so many different kinds of birds from one species.. Look at chickens for example. There are so many kinds it's unbelievable. There is definitely a negative side to inbreeding which is causing more harm than good.

Let's take dogs for example. The amount of inbreeding has caused massive genetic disorders that lay in the blod of dogs.. Certain dogs are prone to so many joint and other diseases... It's all from inbreeding.


Don't forget, for sure many birds would have to be culled because they simply won't match quality or health standards due to inbreeding.

I think this discussion should go beyond this and get a bit more scientific. Let me see if I can email some local university professors and get their academic opinions and we should do the same with those in Australia. Maybe we can come to a better, more concise conclusion on this issue?

Share your thoughts, by all means. This is very good and intellectually stimulating as we share knowledge and experiences with each other

Thanks

[finchbreeder]

As you have over 30 posts, you can use the search button up to the top right of this page. You will find this topic has been discussed on quite a number of occassions in the past. By informed amatures and proffessionals alike. So go forth and search.
LML

[TailFeathers]

Other posts do t have the ability to communicate with me. The good thing about forums is that same topic, discussed with different posting member yields better results. Some things can come up in this discussion which would not have necessarily occurred with previous discussions and precious members, whom by the way, may not be able to contribute anymore as they may have left, got busy or wish not to engage beyond their previous contribution.

Thanks

[AMCA26]

I was going to post last night but thought I may be shot down so here goes. I bred Zebra Finches and 7 yrs ago the was able to get hold of Aluminas they were as tiny as anything. For the next 7 yrs I have not introduced another Grey into the pool. My Aluminas r now probably some of the best going around if I say so myself. So I keep 5 pairs each year line them up could not tell u if the end pairs are related so for picking size and shape I now have got this colour to where I am today. On the other hand the other colours I breed I have had trouble with as I have started from the same spot as the Alumina but have always had to introduce on outsider. My Beige I have had for around 3-4yrs now and this years birds are related some how, and for the first time without introducing Fawns for different reasons and they have improved. So this is the way I have bred my Zebras and I have started to carry on with that into my Gouldians with the same results. We as a club are actually having someone over for a talk on this Inbreeding matter out our Christmas Lunch so it will be interesting.

[TailFeathers]

I was going to post last night but thought I may be shot down so here goes. I bred Zebra Finches and 7 yrs ago the was able to get hold of Aluminas they were as tiny as anything. For the next 7 yrs I have not introduced another Grey into the pool. My Aluminas r now probably some of the best going around if I say so myself. So I keep 5 pairs each year line them up could not tell u if the end pairs are related so for picking size and shape I now have got this colour to where I am today. On the other hand the other colours I breed I have had trouble with as I have started from the same spot as the Alumina but have always had to introduce on outsider. My Beige I have had for around 3-4yrs now and this years birds are related some how, and for the first time without introducing Fawns for different reasons and they have improved. So this is the way I have bred my Zebras and I have started to carry on with that into my Gouldians with the same results. We as a club are actually having someone over for a talk on this Inbreeding matter out our Christmas Lunch so it will be interesting.

Keep me posted I'd like to hear about this a bit more.

[BluJay]

Will be interesting AMAC26. I line breed.

[finchbreeder]

I line breed.
As do I. If you have good stock, that are breeding good stock. Why muck it up? Careful line breeders can go for ages with only an occassional total out cross. Though it does depend on what you have and what is available.
LML

[E Orix]

Why is in breeding frowned upon. The simple fact is if it was printed that it was acceptable then it would soon be treated as the normal
thing to do and that is far from the proper practices. If you are experienced and understand line breeding it may be fine as a step to
a target.
If inbreeding was accepted we would soon end up with far less species available and most likely birds so small and of inferior quality
that they would not be desirable. In a nut shell don't inbreed your birds.
Mutations as far as I am concerned, they start off as a spontaneous mutation(quirk of nature I guess) and in many cases by line breeding
some are established. Many that turn up in our aviaries are simply two birds already carrying that earlier mutation gene.
That is why today we struggle to get normal red Painteds,Gouldians with set head colours,normal Red Faced Parrot Finches and the list goes on.

[Alf63]

I was told years ago by an old budgie breeder

"line breeding when it works, inbreeding when it doesn't"

explains it all to me

Regards

Alf63

[firetail555]

I was told years ago by an old budgie breeder

"line breeding when it works, inbreeding when it doesn't"

explains it all to me

Regards

Alf63

davo, that was at the first convention in melbourne by Peter Rayson from memory, and I have never forgotten it either. Never truer words spoken