My observations with Lutino Gouldian genetics

[sskmaestro]

Ok. This is my third season breeding Lutino and INO Gouldians (both American and euro variety)

This is what I observed.

Pair 1 : RH/OH LB/Wb DF SB split Lutino
YTBH WB YB Lutino (Euro)

She is black head but genetically yellow head. She has a yellow tip beak and she did produce a black head male and black head female chick when I paired her with split to black head male last season.


This pair do not have any visible purple chest. But they produced Purple Chested dilute greens. The same hen produced purple chested males and females previous year as well.

I am assuming the parents of this Lutino hen sports a visible purple chest and being Lutino, she might have masked it visible white chest ? Is my conclusion correct ?


Pair 2 : YH LB/WB SF SB
RH WB YB Lutino split blue (euro hen)

Again, this pair doesn’t have a visible purple chest for both male and female. They did throw two blue back hens with purple chest and one DF silver with purple chest. This happened in previous season.

I paired her with a YB WB BB split Lutino male this year. Again, both male and female doesn’t have a visible purple chest. But this pair gave me a purple Chested pastel blue male that’s split to Lutino anyways.

Pair 3 : RH WB DF YB Lutino split male (American Lutino) paired with YH LB/WB BB hen.

Both male and female don’t have a visible purple chest. But they have a RH/OH PB/WB BB split to Lutino male.


So, in all these three scenarios, can we assume that the Lutino bird masked the purple chest and it is visible in its offspring ? I don’t want to call split to purple chest as purple chest is dominant in regular Gouldian world.

Please share your opinion on this practical outcome.

Thanks.

[finchbreeder]

Question 1 - the obvious - are they in seperate breeding compartments?
Question 2 - when you say they are white/lilac - is the lilac visible? on their breasts?
You are certainly getting some strange results.

[Craig52]

That is very hard for Australian gouldian breeders as we don't have lutino or ino in Australia.
Also you are combining several mutations together which will provide a cocktail of different modes of inheritance that can come out either split for or colour. White breast is autosomal recessive where lutino is sexlinked recessive. Lilac is a curse and it is dominant to purple and white breast. Imo

[sskmaestro]

Question 1 - the obvious - are they in seperate breeding compartments?
Question 2 - when you say they are white/lilac - is the lilac visible? on their breasts?
You are certainly getting some strange results.

1. Yes. My breeding setup is one pair per double breeding cage. Never did colony breeding.
2. Lilac split white - the hen has visible lilac chest and previous year when I paired her with a white chested male, they gave me white chested and lilac chested babies.

I have some new fledgings from other pairs (male silver split Lutino and hen Lutino split blue, yellow split Ino male and Ino hen). The hens from both these pairings are siblings. They sport a white chest being Lutino and INo, but their mom who is a silver with purple chest might have passed that purple chest gene. I will wait until these fledgings color up and update here.

[sskmaestro]

That is very hard for Australian gouldian breeders as we don't have lutino or ino in Australia.
Also you are combining several mutations together which will provide a cocktail of different modes of inheritance that can come out either split for or colour. White breast is autosomal recessive where lutino is sexlinked recessive. Lilac is a curse and it is dominant to purple and white breast. Imo

To get a red eyed white bird, I have to mix blue with Lutino genetics.

But Lutino alone, I am seeing some interesting results.

[Craig52]

That would be correct as blue dominates yellow to become white.
We have a mutation called an Australian yellow here when crossed with blue results in an almost white bird that we call an Australian variegated blue.
Both mutations are autosomal recessive so an easy concoction to produce.
But in saying that I really don't appreciate white gouldians for the removal of the beautiful original colours of the bird. Imo.

[sskmaestro]

That would be correct as blue dominates yellow to become white.
We have a mutation called an Australian yellow here when crossed with blue results in an almost white bird that we call an Australian variegated blue.
Both mutations are autosomal recessive so an easy concoction to produce.
But in saying that I really don't appreciate white gouldians for the removal of the beautiful original colours of the bird. Imo.

I agree on the white bird thing. You are removing the markings of the bird which made it famous. I appreciate occasional white bird in my breeding. But I don’t like or intend to breed a flock of all white birds.

[finchbreeder]

I'm with both of you on the all white or yellow birds.
I'm into doing it for the genetic challenge.
But then I would stop, as the whole beauty of the Gouldian is that it is mulitcoloured.