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Jayburd
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hi all
Maggots again :lol:
I was pricing out maggots on the ARCade (frogs.org.au) and I had a few questions for those good old maggot stalwarts out there.
Firstly, how many maggots are in an average daily feed? how long would a pack of approx. 7,500 maggots last?
Secondly, would it be more sustainable to continually order maggots from the interwebs or breed them yourself in a small backyard area where the smell (which I don't mind but my family does) has no room to dissipate from shed to house?
How long does it take for maggots to turn into pupae and how can I decelerate the process?
Thanks :D
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Jay, I use the ARC maggots and order the smallest ("medium" from memory) once every 2-3 weeks. They arrive in a cardboard tube and are quickly put in the (garage :lol: ) fridge in a 4L ice cream container without a lid. I find that by the end of the three weeks very few are left, some have died but most have been fed out. Normally the bulk would be gone in 2-2 1/2 weeks, hence the irregular pattern as sometimes I won't start the new packet for a few days after delivery.

The how much question will depend on your birds. I don't bother counting the maggots :lol: , just grab a few "pinches" out and plonk them in the live food bowl. I find how many are taken depends on other factors like weather (this influences the wild hunting outcomes, warm days and cool evenings seem to provide the best natural hunting) and how many crickets I've put in and so on. Each flight has 1 pair of insectivores (chats in one, wrens in the other). I suspect the painteds nibble at them, but I have no evidence the longtails do and certainly the longtails not in with insectivores have never really touched them. My birds also get mealworms and cake every day, so again quantities vary according to what they eat from that selection. I generally find that the maggots in the milder weather will live for 24-48 hours just in the bowl (always with a little bran in the bowl), some will pupate in this time but the birds will take the pupae too.

If there's plenty left in the bowl I'll leave overnight or all of the next day and then tip bowl in the compost bin. I have a compost bin with wire mesh in each insectivore flight, as the container nears the end I'll tip the remains in there so that some pupate and hatch and so effectively become naturally hunted insects (the wrens have long since learned to just sit on the wire lid and wait, the chats don't seem to so that as much).
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Jayburd
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Thanks Natamambo :D :D that's very helpful!
Just a couple of other questions.
We have a sunroom fridge I might be able to commandeer
you say "medium", I can only see one on the website?
Do you think it would be better to just buy them or to try and breed them?
And how much does it cost you per year?
Thanks!
Julian

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They call it "medium", from memory they have occasionally offered "large" but never "small" (not worth their while I suppose).

I buy rather than breed coz I can't possibly breed enough variety - I'll mix and match mealies, gents, woodies and crickets, although I don't often order woodies coz they tend to escape faster than the birds can eat them whereas the crickets go in a plastic tub about 14" deep and never seem to escape. Others could advise you more on breeding, it just doesn't suit me as I don't have the facilities - or the family support :lol: :lol: .
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Great! Thanks NM :D
:lol: my family is supportive, but I suppose there are limits!
I only have a part time holiday job, which is very helpful for buying finch things like nests etc. but I don't know about regular things... It's just the annual price that concerns me.
Also how much does shipping cost?
Julian

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$9.50 for express post from memory.

As the family support, like you I only have *some* limitations :lol: .
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XD thanks nm.
Hmm eleven bucks each time every two weeks with nine fifty added every time... Well that'd be expensive :(
Julian

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Jay the only time I have ever bought maggots was when I first got my first pair of wrens , along long time a go it cost me $5 for a 2lt container it wasn't full of them but enough to see if the birds would take them, mine seem to go through fads the chats now eat the maggot but prefer the pupae so I try to have a bit of a mix of both as well as the mealies and crickets.
A good maggot set up should not smell, as you need alot of flies to do this usually the smell is the milk or whey going sour and that is cause of the stink, if they complain around here they get told to get out of the shed then, so I dont have a problem my shed my rules...

Personally just see how it goes buying them for a while, just to see how much they eat, no point setting up a box that will cause you grief down the track if they dont eat them, also the maggots may not smell but there will always be one family member who will say they do. I only breed my own maggots now but up until last month was buying 1kg of mealies every 2 months, but now I have become almost self sufficient in that ,next is the crickets.

I keep my maggots in the fridge for 2 weeks(sometimes shorter) if they are not eaten the are returned to fly box as I have a steady flow and as of late a few friends have been raiding them for fishing.Remembering some birds only need them while they have young so it may not be a 12 months cost....pete
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p.s get in good with someone local who does and help with the cost of bran and milk etc, if you cant do it from home someone maybe able to help....just a thought .. if only you lived over here.... pete
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Thanks pete!!
I really am a bit dim aren't I :lol: I forgot finches dont breed all year round!! I suppose I'll have to figure out which of the species I have/want need live food and when their best periods of breedeing are and see If I can make a chart :D
I like making charts!

Anyway I'll buy a tube and see if they'll eat them, and take it from there. I'll keep you posted.
Thanks guys!!
J
Julian

Birdwatcher and finch-keeper.

Feel free to check out my photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lewinsrail/
And my birding antics here: http://worthtwointhebushbirding.blogspot.com.au/
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