Hybrids

[Diane]

C.O.M. regulation (and therefore worldwide federations, associations and clubs belonging to it)

I think the way they get around that would be not to belong to or have association with C.O.M

[Dimar]

Hi Diane,
I think that rule is a good one, but, of course, must be enforced always and everywhere. Judges must also be able to identify with confidence intraspecific hybrids and backcrosses, and sometimes it can be tricky. However when such birds are detected, they must not be admitted to the show bench.

ciao
Dimar

[Netsurfer]

As someone said "one drop can cause avalanche" is this going to happen to the Australian Aviculture as well? All we need is enough people to be bias or condone hybridizing and the ball will start rolling. As I mentioned in one of my other posts the European bird markets are at times full of hybrids and/or out-crosses, at times it is difficult to identify the species. No thanks, not here! Those people live in the world of fantasy and have absolutely no regards for anything else like Aviculture or what would happen when some of those "unwanted birds" are released or the preservation of species both in captivity or the wild.

[finchbreeder]

Keep the snowball rolling and growing on this one. to C.O.M. for their rules.
LML

[Diane]

@ Dimar
I think the C.O.M. rule is good too and one that really (in my opinion) should be made across the board. No place for hybrids in showing in my opinion, it just encourages the habit.
To be honest not keen on showing of birds at all, have seen what showing can do via the dog world. Will stop at that as its a pet hate of mine.

[BluJay]

Good on you, BB, it least you will, tell it like it is........... Dog shows............ what a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If bird shows contain same politics and nonsense.............. I would pass.

[BluJay]

As someone said "one drop can cause avalanche" is this going to happen to the Australian Aviculture as well? All we need is enough people to be bias or condone hybridizing and the ball will start rolling. As I mentioned in one of my other posts the European bird markets are at times full of hybrids and/or out-crosses, at times it is difficult to identify the species. No thanks, not here! Those people live in the world of fantasy and have absolutely no regards for anything else like Aviculture or what would happen when some of those "unwanted birds" are released or the preservation of species both in captivity or the wild.

Getting an understanding, Hybrid in birds, is the breeding of two different species?????????? Like what they have done with the poodle here..........an oodle here, an oodle there, an oodle with everything.

Outcross, is when you breed back to it's orginal species? As pom a poo, you would breed back to the pomeranian or poodle?

I believe in line breeding, but never inbreeding. The only time I would ever inbreed, is to pull out gentic faults. Cross out can be a good thing, however, it can also, mess a breeding program up, in some very unexpected ways!

I understand, the concern with "unwanted birds" being released.......... or being sold as pure to unsuspecting suckers!
It is a good thing aviculture, like it or not, is putting things in place to protect the purity of birds.

[maz]

Dogs are one species, oodles are cross breeds not hybrids. But yes that's the general idea just one step further. Also I always find it funny when people say they will linebreed but not inbreed, I'm yet to see a good explanation of what people consider the difference, line breeding is in breeding the only difference is the degree and it's actually funny the people that line breed but then scream about the "horror" of inbreeding....the only difference between the terms is using different terms genetically speaking it's all inbreeding.

[BluJay]

Maz, so the instance of ob and strawberry would just be a cross breed? Line breeding is a form of inbreeding, but the genetics are furhter removed. My understanding, inbreeding, mother to son, father to daughter, brother to sister, etc..

Inbreeding, would be like, cousins, etc..

Hybrid, like the cross of canary and red siskin = red factor canary?

[finchbreeder]

Line breeding is the careful selection of related non siblings and the breeding of such. It is inbreeding. The european royal familys did it for years. And many race horse, cattle, sheep, pig etc. breeders do it to strengthen desirable traits. It is a practice that if carefuly managed works. With the strict proviso that the instant anything weird turns up it is noted and that line of breeding is immediately terminated. Not knocked off, the weird may be, but the parents are outcrossed.
LML