I would love to know what I have!

[bear2491]

I see, sorry, Im so used to using 2 other forums that prefer the use of photobucket that I just did it automatically. Next time I will try this other way (it took me a while to learn re-sizing on photobucket, so bear with me while I learn a new process )

My gould is doing well at the moment, he is getting more head colour (which is most definately orange/yellow) but I am eagerly awaiting his next moult now to see is he is a pastel or yellow. That's what confused me the most - he didn't seem yellow enough but this may change I guess.

[Tiaris]

To me this Bird looks more like a AY and not like an AD, not enough green in the Wings to be a Australian Dilute but,let it moult out completely to be identified with certainty, also the Breast colouring does not fit an AD but, this could just be a variation, Time holds all the answers,keep us posted.

It simply cannot be an Australian Yellow or it would have a white breast. Not all Recessive dilutes have greenish wings, in fact for the first 15 years or so of their development they had no discernable greenness at all. The purple of the breast is in no way diluted by the dilute mutation either so the breast colour does fit for a dilute. Having said all this, I tend to think that it is most likely a double-factor yellow-back as these are quite common (perhaps with an each way bet also on the less likely recessive dilute). The term, pastel, refers to a single-factor yellowback (European) male which this bird definitely isn't.

[Diane]

I see, sorry, Im so used to using 2 other forums that prefer the use of photobucket that I just did it automatically. Next time I will try this other way

Sorry bear my post was in no way aimed at you personally. Its just something we trying to change by gradually going through the forum changing the photobucket pics and loading them directly. This way we can be sure we wont lose the pics.

[natamambo]

Wait till the moult is finished but:
Chest colour to dark for Aussie Dilute;
Chest colour there (ie not white or basically white with purple streaks) so not Aussie Yellow;
Back not light green so not single factor Euro Yellow;
This leaves double factor Euro Yellow.

Head colour is poor yellow at this stage, beak is yellow but head still to colour up properly.

[Craig52]

Natamambo and others,where do you get this theory that Australian Recessive Dilutes breast clour is differant to normal as it isn't.The proper name is dilute backed and that is all it effects,back,wings and tail,the dilution doesn't effect the purple chest or yellow belly, Craig

[natamambo]

Natamambo and others,where do you get this theory that Australian Recessive Dilutes breast clour is differant to normal as it isn't.The proper name is dilute backed and that is all it effects,back,wings and tail,the dilution doesn't effect the purple chest or yellow belly, Craig

Craig, I was basing it on my memory of the birds I have seen, bred by a fellow AFF member not far from me, my memory tells me the birds were lightened all over with duller faces and breasts as well as duller backs.

Back soon...
I tried to confirm this via a visit to the Belgian site but it's still down.

OK, just checked the photos in Mike Fidler's book and the ABK Gouldian book. Mike's book clearly shows in the only example I could find that breast and belly are unaffected. The ABK book (orig edn) is a bit less conclusive but generally shows a normal breast and belly.

If my chemo fuelled memory lapses have struck again then I apologise and bow to your greater wisdom and experience. However at this stage I'll blame the poor lighting in his aviaries .

However... now you've got me wondering about a "yellow backed" hen that I bought last season but which never successfully raised any young to tell what she is by the offspring .

[Diane]

I did send an email to the owner a month or so ago but no response so far, so I went on a search.........

The Belgian site can be accessed via TheWayBackMachine,
http://archive.org/web/web.php
then enter
users.skynet.be/fa398872/engoulbh.htm
into the space next to the button "Take me back"
click the "Take me back" button
you should now see a calendar,
choose a black line in 2010
scroll down and you should see the 13th of September highlighted with a blue circle,
hover the mouse over that and it will show a link just showing numbers,
click that link and you should get to the website.

Everywhere there is a black line is where the website was crawled (look at) by the web archive so if the above instructions dont work try another black line and date.

Its a bit of a trial but worth it, I have had it on my computer in the last few days, and Im looking at it right now after following the above instructions . Some of the pics are missing but not many.

[Craig52]

Sorry to put a damper on this but the Belgian site want show Australian Ressive Dilute backed gouldians or Australian Ressive yellow backs as they don't have them in their country and what they call dilute backed are single factor Euro cocks. Craig

[natamambo]

Craig I think they might, they certainly have Aus Yellow, they have photos sent in by all kinds of breeders - when it's working that is.....

[KENTUCKY]

Another observation I made in regards to this Cock Bird is the Colour of the Throat, it is too pale to be an Australian Dilute backed, it should be more of a silvery grey then the current shade of Beige,I have had this Mutation in my Collection since the late seventy' s and am very familiar with it, also the Colour of the Wings ought to resemble the Colour of a" Golden Delicious Apple", let Nature take its course and in a few short Months we will have the answer, I do wonder though if the photo is true to Colour? if it is and judging by what I see I will have another go, and as a wild and over the top guess I dear say it may well turn out to be a Cinnamon Yellow,dont hold me to it, even after fourty years breeding Gouldians I still get it wrong. Cheers