STA soluzioni in Australia

[gomer]

Does anyone know the function of the battery pack and wiring in this photo?

The link doesnt work for me but this below maybe a clue.

As for some more info I have the following for you; the safari/show/wire cages are extremely light weight and yet strong. They all come fitted with lights and run off 10 AA batteries or your car charger or a 9v battery. For more info on how they work visit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... F5OfWCZPT4

[iaos]

As I said in Dianes original thread.
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I like them but whats the distance between the wire bars ?And how about getting them out without a sock or rubber ? Maybe now they are here these questions can be answered.I have sent a email with my two questions.

I'm finding this whole thread a little bizarre. In the original thread everyone was raving and couldn't wait to get their hands on one. Now that someone has gone to the trouble of importing them, it seems as though most people are doing their darndest to cut them down. I think whoever has imported what appears to be a premium avicultural product should applauded. Whether there is a market for it remains to be seen.

I agree that the cost appears to be a lot. But that doesn't make it a bad product.

Craig - what has changed?

Do we need pretty cool, funky or do we need practical? AND it comes at a price.

cheers, Case

I agree Case,whats wrong with the durable good old ply/timber boxes we have now,cheap as chips and just as easy to keep clean or by a new one every year. Craig

Re: Fancy Transport Carrier by Craig52 on 08 Jul 2012, 09:05

Fantastic Di,i want one. The only problem would be for freighting,YOU WOULD NEVER GET IT BACK Craig

[TomDeGraaff]

These transporters seem very well designed to me. Like many things, people may use them badly. That could impact on the welfare of the birds.

I think they seem really great for transport. For displaying birds they have serious limitations. seeing into the box may be difficult but I don't know unless I actually see and handle one first hand. The money is too high for me to experiment!!

Some people, to show the birds, may open the roof and that would be a mistake. Birds panic and fly upwards thus injuring themselves. This is partly why all-wire cages are banned at sales in Victoria. People say they cover them up but some nong will take the cover off and stress the birds.

What are the dimensions? Also, I noticed some of the bars were distorted leading me to think that they are a bit too pliable. 10 mm is okay for most birds but orange breasts and fires might test it a bit. I wonder if smaller birds might hang themselves (?) vertical bars can be a trap for small heads and wings.

Overall, the concept is great with lots of innovative features. I think I want to see and feel one before making a judgement.

[Craig52]

Sounds like i've been singled out iaos,not that long ago myself and another guy virtually made and supplied all the carry boxes and other accessaries to Victorian breeders and i sent alot interstate,for example the QLD finch society and birdsRus.
The other chap making them eventually fell very ill to the dust from the craftwood and sorry to say he died,i carried on making these boxes with a more than ever demand for them which nearly was my demise.I was diagnosed with a cancerous tumor in my left sinuses and endured a 12hr operation and 6 weeks radiation treatment but i wasn't expected to make it but i did.
I haven't gone near my workshop in 8 years to make anything out of wood so when i saw this thread back then i was still recovering and thought that anything that i don't have to make and serves the purpose would be great until i saw the price.I visually see what i used to make and put it to these plastic things of similar size and the prices are horrendous,$10-$15 and $20 for a double and hundreds of dollars for the plastic ones,i doesn't make sense to me,things are supposed to be so much cheaper these days so i must be still old school.Anyhow,i'm still a bit biased for the good old Aussie wooden box and i have kept one of each size which i have estapoled and i know they will see me out. Cheers Craig

[iaos]

Sorry to single you out Craig. Just the first comment on the previous thread. Definitely nothing personal

Glad to hear you have overcome your health issues and sorry to read about your mate.

I too have a schmick old wooden carry cage from a retired breeder. Very functional, looks nice, will last a lifetime but its a pr!ck to clean.

Cheers Ian

[KENTUCKY]

The commercial viability of this thing is of no concern to me, what bugs me is, that these unholy contraptions are being used as display cages in overseas bird sales, first one must understand bird behavior to fully comprehend what really goes on,
perches in a box type display cage will be used by birds as stress relief, a box type display cage with no perches you will observe that birds will all huddle in a corner for safety and combat stress, now to these new unholy things,
Tom hit the nail partly on the head, birds in these type of display cages have nowhere to go, to get a good look at the exhibit, birds can only be viewed from above, which must scare them schmitt less, simply because a lot of preditors attack from above which in return must make them feel very tense, uneasy and very nervous and on guard all the time, stress, stress and more stress, ban the ruddy things, you are doing your birds no favor
Just a thought

[Niki_K]

But surely these wouldn't be approved for shows here in Australia, given the wire top. I think these would be more than adequate for transportation since the food and water set up looks quite tidy. I believe this would be a lot easier to clean than my wooden one, since I can't remove the rubber entryway, or take it apart.
In any case, it's well out of my budget, so this is all pie in the sky for me!

[crazy cuban]

The commercial viability of this thing is of no concern to me, what bugs me is, that these unholy contraptions are being used as display cages in overseas bird sales, first one must understand bird behavior to fully comprehend what really goes on,
perches in a box type display cage will be used by birds as stress relief, a box type display cage with no perches you will observe that birds will all huddle in a corner for safety and combat stress, now to these new unholy things,
Tom hit the nail partly on the head, birds in these type of display cages have nowhere to go, to get a good look at the exhibit, birds can only be viewed from above, which must scare them schmitt less, simply because a lot of preditors attack from above which in return must make them feel very tense, uneasy and very nervous and on guard all the time, stress, stress and more stress, ban the ruddy things, you are doing your birds no favor
Just a thought

Hang on,
Where do the birds go in a 15cm wide show box?
These have custom made perches, giving the birds somewhere to go.
In europe they were designed as the best possible show box. And in europe the showing of birds in general (from humming birds to parrots) is very important; so theres no way something like this would still be allowed if it caused havoc. Not only is this reccomended by birdkeepers but its the ONLY ONE APPROVED in europe for the showing of birds.
In regards to the price, i look at it like this: a pr of diamonds cost $80-$100 in ACT, the birds must be fed. And the birds will die after 5 or so years (if ur lucky). The 2pt show box is $65. Is safe, drastically reduces the stress placed on the birds (giving them a better chance of survival) we dont have to feed the carrybox. And it will last over 20 years. As E Orix prebiously stated 'the carrybox is an important thing' and can alter your birds life. Now why arent we willing to spend that littl bit more for a safe, strong, stress reducing, innovative, long lasting, easy cleaning carrybox, that will forever be a key thing to birdkeepers.

Just my thoughts

[wagga]

Blah, Blah, Blah is what i reading here. Pending what side of the fence you are sitting on this subject there will always be Pros and Cons for this type of product.

IMO

PM if you want to discuss this further.

[KENTUCKY]

They can only go up, and by panicking and flying up ever so briefly they will hit the wire roof momentarily, the rest leave to your imagination, I put this unholy contraption in the same category as plastic perches and plastic nest boxes,as a bird breeder, I have the well being of birds as my the first and foremost priority at heart,everything else is secondary, what will these rocket scientist invent next, the mind boggles