Riyaad
Baycox and Moxidecton during breeding
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rpetersen
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Can some forum members please assist. My German Roller canaries are in breeding mode. I would like to know if I can use Baycox and Moxi cocktail during breeding and at what dose.
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Myzomela
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Hi Riyaad,
I generally suggest that birds be treated before the breeding season to avoid any issues. Having said that many breeders have used these medications whilst birds have been breeding without problems.
The time most at risk is when pairs are feeding chicks and when the weather is hot- the increased water consumption can lead to toxicity.
The dose rates should always be the same as that usually recommended- if you're worried about the weather being too warm then I would delay treatment until the weather is more settled. I assume that this will not be a problem at this time of year.
I generally suggest that birds be treated before the breeding season to avoid any issues. Having said that many breeders have used these medications whilst birds have been breeding without problems.
The time most at risk is when pairs are feeding chicks and when the weather is hot- the increased water consumption can lead to toxicity.
The dose rates should always be the same as that usually recommended- if you're worried about the weather being too warm then I would delay treatment until the weather is more settled. I assume that this will not be a problem at this time of year.
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E Orix
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Are your Canaries in an aviary or cage situation.
If they are in a cage can some one tell me why the birds need worming.
if they were wormed properly before liberating them should there be a worm problem.
I am sorry Myzo and others but I can't accept that our worm problem requires such a cart blance approach.
As I have stated over,non of the worm medication limits the eradication of Parasites only.
With these many worming questions it means to me that some inexperience people are trying to medicate
their birds,even if its not required.
If they are in a cage can some one tell me why the birds need worming.
if they were wormed properly before liberating them should there be a worm problem.
I am sorry Myzo and others but I can't accept that our worm problem requires such a cart blance approach.
As I have stated over,non of the worm medication limits the eradication of Parasites only.
With these many worming questions it means to me that some inexperience people are trying to medicate
their birds,even if its not required.
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Myzomela
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You are correct EOrix.
If the birds are wormed before introducing to a cage then there is no need to keep worming.
I am forever telling clients this at work- in fact after checking their droppings microscopically if they have no worms I tell them to throw the wormer away!
My thoughts on blind worming are well known also.
I just sometimes get sick of repeating myself. We are always looking for a magic bullet, rather than looking at the big picture.
Understand how the host-parasite relationship works, then make sure you create an environment that doesn't favour the parasite. Then you don't have to rely on routine drug use-unlike all our livestock industries and their ongoing fight against parasites and their resistance to medications.
Birdkeeping involves making compromises because our aviaries are not the wild environment.
However, it seems that the overall majority of finchkeepers practice routine worming.
Honestly, I think that routine worming is just used to compensate for inappropriate housing. If you house birds properly then you should be able to do away with it. If most breeders stopped worming tomorrow then many of them would run into increasing mortality in birds.
The reality is that deaths due to internal parasites have drastically declined since breeders started using routine worming.
In the subtropics in particular this has made a huge difference.
So, unless there is a quantum leap in changes in how our birds are housed, then we will have to continue to rely on worming.
If the birds are wormed before introducing to a cage then there is no need to keep worming.
I am forever telling clients this at work- in fact after checking their droppings microscopically if they have no worms I tell them to throw the wormer away!
My thoughts on blind worming are well known also.
I just sometimes get sick of repeating myself. We are always looking for a magic bullet, rather than looking at the big picture.
Understand how the host-parasite relationship works, then make sure you create an environment that doesn't favour the parasite. Then you don't have to rely on routine drug use-unlike all our livestock industries and their ongoing fight against parasites and their resistance to medications.
Birdkeeping involves making compromises because our aviaries are not the wild environment.
However, it seems that the overall majority of finchkeepers practice routine worming.
Honestly, I think that routine worming is just used to compensate for inappropriate housing. If you house birds properly then you should be able to do away with it. If most breeders stopped worming tomorrow then many of them would run into increasing mortality in birds.
The reality is that deaths due to internal parasites have drastically declined since breeders started using routine worming.
In the subtropics in particular this has made a huge difference.
So, unless there is a quantum leap in changes in how our birds are housed, then we will have to continue to rely on worming.
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