European Greenfinch

TailFeathers · 02 Dec 2014, 10:44

Hello,

I went to a breeder and saw what I thought was an extra-extra large canary. It looked so big I was actually scared of it. Turns out, it was a european greenfinch and they are great singers. The guy was crossing them with his canaries. I don't think I would do that, I'd rather try to have more fun breeding them and breeding new colors and types.

Question is how long and how many generations does the average breeder have to wait and breed until a mutation occurs and does anyone breed these in Australia ?

Thank you

02 Dec 2014, 10:50

Question is how long and how many generations does the average breeder have to wait and breed until a mutation occurs
Regretfully the answer to that is, how long is a piece of string. Or if you prefer, no one knows. Mutations are random. They may occur in the first year, or not till the 100th. This is why breeding birds is so interesting. If you have the interest do get a pair or two of these birds and breed them. We would love to hear of your success.
LML

02 Dec 2014, 10:54

I'm.confused. What do Greenfinches have to do with producing mutations?

BluJay · 02 Dec 2014, 11:10

In all sincerity, Tailfeathers, good luck to you in all that you do. I hope you are very successful in your endeavors. Weather you work towards letting these pairs breed naturally or use your artificial insemination techniques you claim to have developed. When you produce viable chicks, I hope you will share pics and your methodology. Kind Regards

In a sense - I'm feeling - Tailfeathers - is another forum member with a 2nd user name.

TailFeathers · 02 Dec 2014, 14:59

BluJay wrote:In all sincerity, Tailfeathers, good luck to you in all that you do. I hope you are very successful in your endeavors. Weather you work towards letting these pairs breed naturally or use your artificial insemination techniques you claim to have developed. When you produce viable chicks, I hope you will share pics and your methodology. Kind Regards

In a sense - I'm feeling - Tailfeathers - is another forum member with a 2nd user name.

No I'm not a user with two different names. I'm using the same username for a few bird forums. I'm new to this deal I'll even photo my birds for you. I'm just a hobbyist newbie breeder, I love to gain info and think things through before actually getting serious hence the reason I joined the forums.

02 Dec 2014, 20:28

Tailfeathers there are already various mutations here in Australia of the European Greenfinch, ie, Lutino. Izabell, and Silver.
You are saying you are a Newbie breeder, than for the life of me why are you picking out some very Heavy S....t posts to start off with.
I would like to suggest to you, if you are GENUINE Beginner, to purchase a small book on "Aviculture for Beginners" and leave the Heavy discussions to others. Good Luck.

TailFeathers · 03 Dec 2014, 13:18

Spitfire wrote:Tailfeathers there are already various mutations here in Australia of the European Greenfinch, ie, Lutino. Izabell, and Silver.
You are saying you are a Newbie breeder, than for the life of me why are you picking out some very Heavy S....t posts to start off with.
I would like to suggest to you, if you are GENUINE Beginner, to purchase a small book on "Aviculture for Beginners" and leave the Heavy discussions to others. Good Luck.

Books don't answer questions. I think outside of the box and I'll take advice from others but still try my own ways. Everyone has their own way of learning. This is my way.

03 Dec 2014, 13:24

TailFeathers wrote: Question is how long and how many generations does the average breeder have to wait and breed until a mutation occurs ...

How long is a litre of milk?
Although with your science and University connections why not consider building a small reactor or approaching a nuclear facility for some of their waste. I understand radiation will improve your chance of mutations by many orders of magnitude.
HTH
Sam

03 Dec 2014, 13:39

SamDavis wrote:
TailFeathers wrote: Question is how long and how many generations does the average breeder have to wait and breed until a mutation occurs ...
How long is a litre of milk?
Although with your science and University connections why not consider building a small reactor or approaching a nuclear facility for some of their waste. I understand radiation will improve your chance of mutations by many orders of magnitude.
HTH
Sam

TailFeathers · 03 Dec 2014, 13:44

SamDavis wrote:
TailFeathers wrote: Question is how long and how many generations does the average breeder have to wait and breed until a mutation occurs ...
How long is a litre of milk?
Although with your science and University connections why not consider building a small reactor or approaching a nuclear facility for some of their waste. I understand radiation will improve your chance of mutations by many orders of magnitude.
HTH
Sam

I can't do that because I drank duck milk and the doctor advises against what you've mentioned. In fact, I ate a chicken that had teeth and as a result I'm not allowed near the television so I decided to do something good for the environment of sub Sahara Africa and I will use a tug boat to drag a giant glacier to them for fresh water, should I fail I hope to reach South Africa at least.