Mixing treatments

[lardles]

Hi, I was wondering if it is possible to administer both Coccivet & Wormout at the same time in drinking water?

Cheers, Lardles

[Fincho162]

Could I be so bold as to suggest you toss both away and opt for Baycox with Cydectin Plus or Equimax Liquid Allwormer.............think in the long run your finches might just be the better for it.

But apart from that happy to say never used Coccivet as I've read some of RK's material where he gives the dose rates for Amprolium and suggest you might do so also to judge for yourself the necessary dose rates - and time span - that are required to fully dose with that chemcal.

A happy Baycox user from 'way back'!!

[jusdeb]

I wouldn't but that's me ..... tiny little bird + 2 doses of chemicals all at once = sick bird .

Myself I would treat 1 thing then go back to normal routine for a few weeks then do the other .

Probably not the right way to do things but its my way

[BENSONSAN]

As stated previously and my confusion with the names. i agree whole heartedly with fincho and in my own words would be saying moxidectin and baycox. i read about it firsly from a great article written about worming on the internet and have never looked back.

But yep do as fincho162 says the cydectin active ingrediant moxidectin and baycox has been a blessing for me. Since all you guys on here put me onto aus pigeonco i would never turn back.

[Buzzard-1]

Baycox is a treatment and Coccivet is a preventative I dan't medicate a bird unless it is new or I know the history.

[Fincho162]

Not sure about that as they both treat for the same basic parasite - coccidia........we use Baycox and have never seen coccidia then that must also make it a preventative........for us at any rate????
Just that everything that I've ever seen about amprolium suggets that you need several closely timed treatments to do any good.......just cause the label tell you so don't make it fact..........anyone remember good ole Happavet!!!!!!!!.....No.???....probably just as well!!!!!

If its used at a lower dose rate as a "preventative" then surely you must risk resistance in the target species???

Surely its the how you use it is the key factor........panacur, cydectin, equimax......all wormers but whether you use them for a known diagnosed outbreak or as a preventative is semantics is it not as you certainly don't alter the dose rate for either.........they still perfom the same basic "job"?????
Killin' them there worms!!

Might leave this to cleverer people than I to nut out...........

[Myzomela]

Hi Lardles,

According to the vetafarm website you should not mix wormout gel with anything, including coccivet.

Cheers
Myzo

[lardles]

Thanks for all the repiles, I had a look on th Aust Pigeon Co website, how do you order baycox?

With respect to Coccivet, it is all I have at present should I keep going with the treatment, surely better than nothing?

[jusdeb]

This one should have been call Coccivet vs Baycox ...might make for a good post on its own for future reference .

[Myzomela]

Hi Fincho and everyone else who has contributed to this discussion.

I agree when you say that baycox and moxidectin plus are the products of choice for treating coccidia and intestinal worms respectively in finches.

The entire discussion about preventatives versus treatment has come about because of an attempt to try and decrease the likelihood of resistance developing to these drugs.
Therefore, for coccidiosis I have advocated using amprolium or sulpha drugs for routine prevention and saving Baycox for when you have a bad outbreak or when the weather conditions are wet and highly conducive to coccidial outbreaks.
Equally for worming I would advocate rotating your drenches.

If we use the most effective treatments routinely-when they are not necessarily justified- then we run the risk of increasing the rate of resistance developing to that drug- or more correctly we increase the selection pressure for resistant coccidia/worms to survive.
Remember that none of these products have 100% efficacy- even in the most effective products there are individual pathogens that will survive.

The best analogy is to look at the situation with antibiotics in medicine. Because of misuse, we have had to develop more and more antibiotics.The situation exists where there are now highly resistant bacteria for which there are no known cures and more importantly none in the foreseeable future.

If that happens with moxidectin and baycox, then we will be in a difficult situation.

I know Fincho that you have the commonsense, knowledge and are responsible enough to administer the medications properly (and no I'm not brown-nosing). Unfortunately, that does not apply to everyone.

So that is the reason for my suggestions.
As I've always said everyone has the right to chose whichever treatment they prefer. There is often more than one way to attack any given problem. But I think it is in all our best interests to have all points of view put forward.
I hope no-one takes offence at my comments- that's not the intention.
Cheers
Myzo