Drenching

[sdegiorgio]

Hi Suzane

I have been putting two drops onto the chickens and haven't have not had any losses or side effects It would be good if you could find out if it has any effect on the finches as in a worm control or if it would have any other effect on them

many thanks
Storz

Hi Storz,

I agree with Craig. I don't think two drops are enough for chickens. I'll find out the correct dosage rate per kg of body weight as well and report back on Friday or Saturday.

Suzanne

[sdegiorgio]

Hi .I have read the fact sheet for Ivermectin so I copied and paste .
1mL for each 10kg liveweight
WITHHOLDING PERIOD
Meat: DO NOT APPLY to cattle less than 42 days before slaughter for human
consumption.
DO NOT APPLY to deer less than 35 days before slaughter for human consumption.
Milk: When milk or milk products are to be used for human consumption do not
administer to cows within 28 days prior to calving or during lactation.
ESI (Export Slaughter Interval)Δ: 42 days

Hi Alan,

Thanks for this info. The dosage rates for birds is often different to that of other animals. The use of Ivermectin in birds is an 'off label' use - that is why the dosage rate for birds is not included on the fact sheet or label. In this case, Ivermectin has not been manufactured and tested for use in birds, even though vets can, and do, prescribe and dispense it for use in birds.

Suzanne

[vettepilot_6]

If Storz is using 2 drops "cattle"ivermectin on chickens then dosage would be right IMO....we use ivermectin for "pigs/sheep" at the dosages as 2 drops for finches...or put in water 5ml to ltr....like Craig I use Moxidectin plus also as it and Cydectin are all related

[BlackCobra]

It also would depend on if you have treated the finches in the last month, then if any was transferred via the eggs you may have a higher amount in there bodies.
But with the amount you gave the chickens, I cant see how it could hurt the finches.

[E Orix]

Once again do your birds need drenching, I can not understand why so many people follow blindly that you should
worm your birds.
There are so many factors why you should or need not dose. Tropical/high humidity areas maybe ???
The fact that when given to chickens there is a with holding period, does that not tell you something.
How many people actually test their birds for parasites, it doesn't seem to be many.
Instead so so said I should so I do it. Sorry to the vets here but wake up and test first, maybe you won't need to ram
chemicals down their throats

[Craig52]

Once again do your birds need drenching, I can not understand why so many people follow blindly that you should
worm your birds.
There are so many factors why you should or need not dose. Tropical/high humidity areas maybe ???
The fact that when given to chickens there is a with holding period, does that not tell you something.
How many people actually test their birds for parasites, it doesn't seem to be many.
Instead so so said I should so I do it. Sorry to the vets here but wake up and test first, maybe you won't need to ram
chemicals down their throats

I agree with everything you have said E Orix but the original question was, Is it safe to feed my finches chicken eggs from chickens that have been drenched.

[Storz]

I only put the question out of interest I thought this might be another way of drenching, if it was needed. I thought it was worthy of discussion as all sorts of things can be discovered this way

[gomer]

You would need to measure the amount left in the egg.Then how much each finch ate of the egg I would think. I am sure the first part is very easy but could be costly. But the second part could vary from bird to bird I would imagine.

[sdegiorgio]

Hi Storz,

Here is the information I was able to obtain from work. I hope this will answer your questions.

Firstly, the dosage rates:

Ivermectin for Sheep (Oral) (0.8 g / litre) - 0.025 per 100 g of body weight (so for a chicken of approx. 2 kg, the dose would be 0.5 ml)
Ivermectin for Cattle (Pour-on) (10 g / litre) - 0.01 per 100 g of body weight (so for a chicken of approx. 2 kg, the dose would be 0.2 ml)
Moxidectin Plus (Oral) - 0.1 ml per 100 g of body weight (so for a chicken of approx. 2 kg, the dose would be 2 ml)

For measurement purposes, 2 drops is equal to 0.1 ml.

The dosage rates for birds is the same as per the manufacturers recommended dosage rates for sheep or cattle (depending on product you are using). I have broken the dosage rates down (above) to 100 g of body weight to make it easier to calculate for birds, as apposed to per 10 kg of liveweight. I have included the Moxidectin Plus dosage rates as well for comparison.

How safe it is to feed eggs, that have been laid within the two week withholding period, to other birds, including finches? - it is quite safe to feed the eggs to other birds. The eggs should not be fed raw, ideally they should be hard boiled.

Do the eggs have any worming effect on other birds? - the answer is no. By the time the chicken's body absorbs the medication, there will be very little, if any, traces of the medication in the eggs.

A couple of other important points to consider. As a precautionary measure, the eggs from chickens, that have been laid within the withholding period, should not be fed to birds that have young in the nest. Also, the Ivermectin products should not be given to any birds (including chickens) that are sick or moulting - it can be fatal.

Suzanne

[Craig52]

Thanks very much for that Suzanne but i'm afraid everyone has gone off track, Storz said, I have been putting 2 drops ON the chicken not orally ingesting.
Maybe the topic should have said external dosing. Not being picky Storz but i thought drenching is by mouth or am i hijacking your post but what has been posted is very informative. Craig