Confused

[jusdeb]

I haven't seen that one before ....very ab fab indeed.

Is it just a red eye from the photo or do they have a red eye (lutino type).

[Buzzard-1]

(lutino type).

Yes Lutino

[Tiaris]

If you find the production of mutations questionable then a mutation established via deliberate hybridisation should really offend.

[desertbirds]

How about pied Hooded Parrots and Dilute Gouldians. YUK !! Im not fussed on what turns people on as far mutations go, the big problems come when the the new mutation is well established and the price drops.How often do we see it, it becomes almost impossible to purchase pure strains of some of our truly stunning normal birds.I wish people put the same effort into softbills or some of the harder species to breed.

[arthur]

Didn't take long for this topic to become "Let's Bash Mutations"

Just a few random thoughts, observations, questions, and quotes:

# Yellow Painteds have been round for 20+ years and Reds are still readily available. Around here both are about the same price

# Is there a difference between breeding a Yellow Painted and a Full Red-fronted?

# Anyone denying the beauty of the Lutino Rainbow, whether it came from hybridisation or Immaculate Conception should seek the services of an optometrist

# Why do breeders of 'pure' birds try to foist their view of the hobby onto the 'mutation' people, while the opposite rarely, if ever, occurs?

# Why do some 'mutation' people keep mutations, but apologise for so doing?

# "Intolerance is the last refuge of the insecure"

# And with some degree of introspection . . "Is denouncing prejudice, prejudicial in itself"?

And to finish on a lighter note:

"When are you going to eat pork, Rabbi Levi?" . . "At your wedding, Father O'Reilly!"

[jusdeb]

OMG Arthur ...if only I could have written that ..

Thank you for saying what I and other mutation breeders are thinking ....


This one ..

Why do breeders of 'pure' birds try to foist their view of the hobby onto the 'mutation' people, while the opposite rarely, if ever, occurs?

[Tiaris]

All very valid points. The bottom line is that not all bird keepers/breeders do so for the same reasons. I also very strongly feel that even if you wish to breed purely non-mutant birds it is in your interest to at least try to understand their modes of inheritence & how they work, otherwise you have very little prospect of eliminating mutant genes from your flock. Just as important to establishment of a desirable mutation as it is to "cleansing" away what you regard as undesirable or unwanted mutant genes.

[arthur]

Exactly . .

A knowledge of genetics can be just as valuable in reverse . . . breeding absolutely pure birds from mutations . .

as it can be in establishing and combining mutations

BUT

No matter how comprehensive your genetic knowledge, you cannot "CREATE" a mutation . . That power rests with 'Mother Nature'

We can only continue what has been begun for us

Some fauna laws (Qld is one) have provisions outlawing "knowingly creating a mutation of a restricted species".

Pretty hard to be found guilty of something that cannot be done . . But it was only a couple of hundred years ago that courts proved people to be witches, and burned them at the stake as a proper form of punishment

Thank goodness we have progressed from those days of ignorance?????????????

[Tiaris]

I think that if the Qld department concerned wished to pursue this to prosecution (which I very much doubt they ever will), they could far more easily do so where somebody has deliberately hybridised an existing mutation into a closely related species where the mutation did not previously exist. This could be argued to be artificially creating the mutation as far as the different species is concerned. There is nothing at all natural about the conception of these hybrid-established mutations.

[captain]

I didnt realize asking a couple questions on my painteds would generate off the subject so much.